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  • Kentucky Engine Burnover at Field Fire.

    Nov. 6th 2008

    Elkton (KY) VFD Brush Engine is burnover on a field fire in Todd County.No other information available at this time.No injuries reported.The engine was overrun after winds changed.The engine was a 1990 ford 1 ton,it was a total loss.
    Last edited by coldfront; 11-10-2008, 09:57 AM.
    Always a day late and a dollar short!

    Hillbilly Irish!

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    Originally posted by coldfront View Post
    Nov. 6th 2008

    Elkton (KY) VFD Brush Engine is burnover on a field fire in Todd County.No other information available at this time.No injuries reported.The engine was overrun after winds changed.The engine was a 1990 ford 1 ton,it was a total loss.
    Someone's gonna be standing in front of the Chief with his hat in his hand explaining a simple one word question:"Why?"
    Glad no one got hurt.

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    • #3
      wow..at least no one was killed.
      Any more info? Did the crew make a run for it? Deploy shelters?

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      • #4
        anyone seen that training video "Attack from the Black"
        i know it doesnt deal with wooded areas really but it talks about fighting grass fires from the black and about the horror stories of those who didn't
        pretty good training aide for department with grassland
        Puttin the wet stuff on the red stuff!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Deputy10D9 View Post
          wow..at least no one was killed.
          Any more info? Did the crew make a run for it? Deploy shelters?
          When I was on a volunteer department outside of Paducah Ky,we were given wildland firefighting turnout gear,rakes,axes,flappers and the like but no shelters like they have out West.To my knowledge,nobody has seen a need to have them in wildland fires in that area,nor do I know from my most recent vist (9-08) if that has changed.coldfront might know.
          I pray to God that no one has to learn the hard way.

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          • #6
            Onlocation is right about the attack from black DVD produce by the Texas Forest Service.If you run a grass/brush rig its a great training tool.

            http://txforestservice.tamu.edu/main...e.aspx?id=2662

            I do not have alot of information about the burnover in Elkton.When I get more information I will post it here.Some fire departments in Kentucky do have fire shelters for each seated postion on their brush trucks.They should be available to all kentucky firefighters running brush and grass calls.It a awareness issue for most departments. Not my department.It always happens to the others guys.
            Last edited by coldfront; 11-11-2008, 04:11 PM.
            Always a day late and a dollar short!

            Hillbilly Irish!

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            • #7
              Safety #1

              I can tell you from experience that it only takes 1 time where you are close to needing a shelter to realizing that if your Dept. doesn't provide all the PPE that you need that you just go and buy one. I've been there done that. In Wi. the State of Wi. DNR now requires that all their personnel MUST have a shelter. They just started this in the last year. In the end you are responsible for your own safety. It doesn't matter the size of the fire, they all can kill you. A push needs to be made that all Firefighters need to have shelters regardless of state. All fuels that burn will hurt or kill you no matter where you live.

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              • #8
                Here in NJ, we are all required to carry shelters. (state forest fire) We also carry a few spares on all of our trucks.

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                • #9
                  in Florida, all of us in DOF are required to carry the new gen shelters on fire attack and mop up, municipal fire departments may or may not issue them (some wont issue brush gear), some of the cooperators have them (new or old style) they are heavy, cumbersome, and unfortunately not designed nor tested for the fuel types we have, esp. in south Florida
                  "If you can't be a good example, the you'll just have to be a terrible warning."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Deputy10D9 View Post
                    Here in NJ, we are all required to carry shelters. (state forest fire) We also carry a few spares on all of our trucks.
                    Actually, in NJ you are only required to wear a shelter on federal land. The state does not issue shelters to anyone, there are some kept on the apparatus.
                    I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

                    "The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list."

                    "When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water."

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                    • #11
                      Even in timber if you are working up close to the fire it is best to carry fire with you as you go. This is why I wish folks would at least get basic wildland training and stick to that training. I own and operate a wildland engine company under contract with the US Govt and our training and quals are more tightly inspected than most VFD's or Career Departments. We fight fire from here at home in Montana to FL - CA and everywhere in between. We need everyone to go home to their families and that means using or heads & our training.

                      TRAIN LIKE YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT.........BECAUSE IT DOES!!!!

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                      • #12
                        nothing wrong with carrying the line, but most muni departments are lucky to get S130 & 190 here (only because we (FL_DOF)) are starting to push the new Fire in the Field class for them, and that's not really enough to know about stringing fire. We try to teach the structure companies to catch spots and watch our back, let the fires burn up to our plow lines, and then knock it down if it looks like it will slop over, other wise protect structures in danger, an back us up. bare dirt or burned fuels stop the fires, water only goes so far
                        "If you can't be a good example, the you'll just have to be a terrible warning."

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by RangerJake72 View Post
                          nothing wrong with carrying the line, but most muni departments are lucky to get S130 & 190 here (only because we (FL_DOF)) are starting to push the new Fire in the Field class for them, and that's not really enough to know about stringing fire. We try to teach the structure companies to catch spots and watch our back, let the fires burn up to our plow lines, and then knock it down if it looks like it will slop over, other wise protect structures in danger, an back us up. bare dirt or burned fuels stop the fires, water only goes so far
                          Our company is in the process of training all new hires in ignition operations. We do a large amount of RX work in the spring which gives us a great training base. I also feel that basic ignition ops should be included in basic classes.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by coldfront View Post
                            Onlocation is right about the attack from black DVD produce by the Texas Forest Service.If you run a grass/brush rig its a great training tool.

                            http://txforestservice.tamu.edu/main...e.aspx?id=2662

                            I do not have alot of information about the burnover in Elkton.When I get more information I will post it here.Some fire departments in Kentucky do have fire shelters for each seated postion on their brush trucks.They should be available to all kentucky firefighters running brush and grass calls.It a awareness issue for most departments. Not my department.It always happens to the others guys.
                            Thanks for the link, I ordered a copy. Might be good for training my crew (or my volunteer dept...)

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                            • #15
                              All the new wildfire trucks we're being issued (similar in concept to the Cal Type III's) are fitted with drop down heat shields in the cab, and a sprinkler system all around the top edge of the truck. These are for burnovers. Mind you, we shouldn't be there in the first place, but it happens. The older trucks don't have those new features, so we're trained in a routine to get the water spraying over the truck. It works, we have burnovers at large fires. It can be very hard in the hill country to tell where the fire is going to go next.

                              Oh yes, we don't have those personal shelters.
                              "Professional" means your attitude to the job...

                              Nullus Anxietas ..... (T Pratchett)

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