Spec's For brush trucks

[ems46pa]

we built our brush truck on a F350 single rear wheel, we had the truck resprung to hold the additional weight. we carry 200 gal of water. Again we have a simular situation as you heavy wooded area with creeks to cross. this truck works out great and cost about $70,000 to build some of the features are front and side sprayers, 12 v HID scene lights,150' booster hose,300' of 1 1/2", 800' of 1", 500' 3/4", 14 rakes, 4 paulaskis, trash hook, 5 vest packs,
18" chainsaw, misc tools.

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[revrenhex]

Ours is built on a F450

350g tank, 2 cascade air bottles for CAFS, pump, booster, 4 truck boxes, 2 SCBA's, chainsaws, various hand tools, full medical complement. It runs like a striped ape. (some of these pictures are before I installed the homemade CAFS, and redid the plumbing, but you get the general idea)

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[allison20]

wow fire dept with money. I'm in ozarks of Arkansas,and we just got a '" new" brush truck. We paid 600 for truck and 2 50 gal tanks. Me and asst chirf put it all togather for another 200. Our fire board reluctantly approved the 800 dollars for our new truck.

[revrenhex]

Your preachin to the choir here. Before this truck we had a 1971 dodge single axle with a 200 gallon farm tank and a 5hp pump that flowed like a waterhose. It was all grants that bought what we got now (minus the CAFS). I designed and built that hole thing off of donations and hammydowns.

[neiowa]

wow fire dept with money. I'm in ozarks of Arkansas,and we just got a '" new" brush truck. We paid 600 for truck and 2 50 gal tanks. Me and asst chirf put it all togather for another 200. Our fire board reluctantly approved the 800 dollars for our new truck.

Aren't you using FEPP? The Arkansas forester is supposedly pretty active in using the system. They could certainly get you a pickup and you could use $600 on other stuff for the truck.

[neiowa]

You guys buying pickups doing so due to budget issues or because that is what you want? We went with a medium duty truck that can actually carry a decent load of water and equipment and is built strong enough to actually go off of a gravel road with a load.

We had no $ so I got the chassis from the AF www.stanleyiowa.com 4x4 IH1856

But if you have the wealth to buy new you can get some very decent chassis prices thru www.hgacbuy.com/ Our your state gov't very likley has a contract negotiated. If your local dealer won't match the price to heck with them. For example from HGAC:

Ford F350 Super Duty Chassis/Cab, Regular Cab, Single Rear Wheel, 5.4L EFI V8, 6-Speed Man Trans w/OD, 137” Wheelbase, 56” CA 10,100 LB. GVWR $12330.00

Ford F550 (XL), Conv. Cab, SRA Philpott Motors $20,613

Chevy Silverado 3500, 1 Ton, Crew Cab Pickup, Dual Rear Wheel, 6.0L SFI V8, 5- Speed Man Trans w/OD, A/C, Long Bed, 11,400 LB. GVWR $24,879.00

Chevy C5500, Conv. Cab, SRA Rush Truck Centers $22,040

Add on your options like 4x4

or a real truck

IH 7300 4x4, Conv. Cab, SFFA $38,141

or if you have REAL $ to throw around (as apparently in Ca)
FB01 Danko Self-Contained Slip-In Unit $13,997.00
FB02 Danko Self-Contained Slip-In Unit with Compressed Air Foam System $36,205.00
FB03 Danko Brush Fire Apparatus, Ford F450, Flatbed, Extruded Aluminum Body $66,295.00
FB04 Danko Brush Fire Apparatus, Ford F450, Formed Aluminum Body $79,142.00
FB05 Danko Brush Fire Apparatus, Freightliner/M2, Flatbed, Extruded Aluminum Body $121,822.00
FB06 Danko Brush Fire Apparatus, Ford F450, Formed Aluminum Utility Body $89,266.00

OB01 Pierce Mfg. Self-Contained Slip-In Unit $11,061.00
OB02 Pierce Mfg. Brush Fire Apparatus, Ford F450, Steel Flatbed $64,011.00
OB03 Pierce Mfg. Brush Fire Apparatus, Ford F450, Formed Aluminum Flatbed $67,310.00
OB07 Pierce Mfg. Brush Fire Apparatus, Ford F450, Formed Aluminum Utility Body $92,192.00

They have contracts in place of all brands of chassis and many brands of firetrucks of all types.

[allison20]

Aren't you using FEPP? The Arkansas forester is supposedly pretty active in using the system. They could certainly get you a pickup and you could use $600 on other stuff for the truck.

The forrestry guy came out and explaained the program to all the chiefs. The chief didn't like the paperwork involved. When he made my friend the asst. chief he said he could go for it if he wants. I took my first responder class at a dept where there chief was a wiz at getting grants. There equipment was great and they were smaller and less active than us. I hope we get involved with it, because right now our $800 truck is considered one of the good ones.

[emt401]

we have an old chevy 2500 that we got from the forestry dept. it has about a 250-300 gal. tank a 1" booster reel and small pump (not sure type). it works for what we need it for and takes up little room at the station.

[revrenhex]

Thats how we did it. The texas forestry service paid 100% of it. Im not sure how ark. works though. Most definately looking into though.

[neiowa]

The forrestry guy came out and explaained the program to all the chiefs. The chief didn't like the paperwork involved. When he made my friend the asst. chief he said he could go for it if he wants. I took my first responder class at a dept where there chief was a wiz at getting grants. There equipment was great and they were smaller and less active than us. I hope we get involved with it, because right now our $800 truck is considered one of the good ones.

Paperwork??? You sign for the equipment and that you're not going to sell it. The Forester inventories everyother year to make sure you haven't sold it. Easiest gov't program there is.

You're lucky that there a several DOD DRMS surplus yards within a few hours of Arkansas.

[firefighterox]

We got a '05 Ford F-450 V-10 with a 250 tank 250 GPM pump and 5 gal foam for about 45K. If you were to go to alexisfire.com and look at raritan under mini units. that truck is almost exactly like ours (would have been if the interior was the right color or they would have given it to us cheaper). Alexis is good but sometimes delivers late.

[allison20]

Paperwork??? You sign for the equipment and that you're not going to sell it. The Forester inventories everyother year to make sure you haven't sold it. Easiest gov't program there is.

You're lucky that there a several DOD DRMS surplus yards within a few hours of Arkansas.

Actually the new regs are that there not going to come out and check the rig. Easier on them. As I said, HOPE we can get into buying these still good trucks. But I'm not the chief.

[NJFFSA16]

It would be in your best interest to purchase a copy of NFPA Standard 1907 as a precursor to building your own wildland apparatus.

NFPA 1906 Standard for Wildland Fire Apparatus 2006 Edition
Chapter 1 Administration

Chapter 2 Referenced Publications

Chapter 3 Definitions

Chapter 4 General Requirements

Chapter 5 Chassis and Vehicle Components

Chapter 6 Low-Voltage Electrical Systems and Warning Devices

Chapter 7 Driving and Crew Areas

Chapter 8 Body, Compartments, and Equipment Mounting

Chapter 9 Water Pumps

Chapter 10 Pump Engines

Chapter 11 Water Tanks

Chapter 12 Equipment Carried on Wildland Fire Apparatus

Chapter 13 Foam Proportioning Systems for Class A Foam Concentrate

Chapter 14 Compressed Air Foam Systems (CAFS)

Chapter 15 Winches

Chapter 16 Vehicle Protection Systems



BTW, NJ Forest Fire is currently using Ford F350 and F450 chassis as the base for their Type 6 wildland units...however they are highly modified by our R&D people. You can contact our state office and inquire about our engine program...they can probably offer some good advice. They can hook you up with our R&D personnel.

State Headquarters
501 East State Street
PO Box 404
Trenton, New Jersey 08625
Office Telephone (609) 292-2977
Fax Number (609) 984-0378

[revrenhex]

Most VFD's in the south that have to buy their own or go with smaller grants cannot make demands like it must be NFPA compliant, we must take what we can get for X dollars, and make the most truck possible. Function over form.

[bjlffire]

revrenhex:

How does your CAFS work?
Purchased or put together?