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Private Firefighters Save Policy Holders Homes, Raise Concerns.

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  • Private Firefighters Save Policy Holders Homes, Raise Concerns.

    Didn't see a sub-section for Private/Insurance company based Fire Fighting Services so dropping this here for discussion. Mods, move where it best fits.

    Source- https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/we...-their-n869061

    Insurance companies such as AIG are hiring experienced FFs as members of 2 man "mitigation" teams. They do pre-incident assessments and when a threat of wildfire occurs they are dispatched to perform tasks such as clearing brush and limps, foaming and spraying down exposures and hitting hotspots. It seems some of the government guys don't like the private services doing their own thing and not being part of their ICS. Frankly, I see this as being not much different than a company or homeowner contracting for Private Security when a threat of civil unrest occurs. Except these guys don't have Kevlar vests and pistols but have chainsaws and hoses.
    More about the AIG program featured in the article at- https://www-200.aigprivateclient.com...n-how-it-works
    Steve
    EMT/Security Officer

  • #2
    wow, here is a user I haven't seen in a while.....

    Based on the article, these guys are hired mercenaries, doing their own thing, without any oversight from the IC. They are freelancing. All is well, as long as they save the house: what happens if they get killed? What happens if forestry service creates a controlled burn, and it traps these guys because they don't know what's happening?

    What's to stop you and me from heading down and fighting some wildfire? Do you have any training? Do I? who cares, the insurance company is going to pay us big bucks to go down there.

    Lets move this to a structure fire. You are first due on the engine on a house fire, and as officer, start assigning tasks to your 4 man crew. While you are preparing to make entry, two guys in a brush truck pull around back, start breaking windows and spraying water from a booster line. They say they are from the insurance company, and were hired to save the house. do you have a problem with what they are doing?

    If these guys want to do prevention, before an incident, particular around the properties of their subscribers, I'm cool with it. you want to clear brush and limbs? awesome. you want to enter the warm or hot zone of a major incident? now we have an issue. You want to do your own thing, possibly interfering with our action plan, with no accountability or oversight? a bigger issue. If you want to help out, you report to the command post, advise them who you are, why you are here, and who requested you, and then we can talk. otherwise, your freelancing, and likely to get yourself or someone else killed.
    If my basic HazMat training has taught me nothing else, it's that if you see a glowing green monkey running away from something, follow that monkey!

    FF/EMT/DBP

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    • #3
      AS long as any citizen has access, these guys should also.

      And normally talking about wildland fires.

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      • #4
        Not sure I like the whole badge/uniform thing - it casts an official air on them, and they aren't municipal firefighters with the attendant authority..

        Beyond that, heck, if they can save my house, more power to them.
        Opinions my own. Standard disclaimers apply.

        Everyone goes home. Safety begins with you.

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        • #5
          There is alot at stake for insurance companies, if a wildfire destroys a ritzy neighborhood. Millions in claims. Its cheaper for the insurance company to send in their own contracted team, than to risk losing anything to wildfire.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by drparasite View Post
            wow, here is a user I haven't seen in a while.....

            Based on the article, these guys are hired mercenaries, doing their own thing, without any oversight from the IC. They are freelancing. All is well, as long as they save the house: what happens if they get killed? What happens if forestry service creates a controlled burn, and it traps these guys because they don't know what's happening?.
            Did you READ the articles? They are no different from a homeowner staying behind to spray water on the house, or a security guard hired to sit in the house to make sure no one breaks in. They are assigned to that house, not to fighting the fire other than what directly impinges on that house. And fighting that part of the fire is but 10% of their job.

            Will your department be able to go and clear brush, apply phoschek, and keep an eye on that structure alone? No? Then let them do their job.

            Originally posted by drparasite View Post

            What's to stop you and me from heading down and fighting some wildfire? Do you have any training? Do I? who cares, the insurance company is going to pay us big bucks to go down there..
            The qualifications include,

            Must be ICS qualified at the minimum Engine Boss level. Will be required to accept wildfire assignments as Engine
            Boss.. Must be proficient with computers, digital cameras, scanners and other miscellaneous electronic equipment. Must have some public speaking skills.

            Must be able to possess a DOT drivers physical.

            Physical Demands: Must pass a Aurdous Pack Test with a 45lb pack walking 3 miles in under 45 minutes. Must be able to possess a DOT drivers physical.

            Experience and Education:

            REQUIRED TRAINING

            All NWCG required training and certifications as a ENGB

            REQUIRED EXPERIENCE

            Satisfactory performance as anEngine Boss, Single Resource (ENGB) on a wildfire incident.

            PHYSICAL FITNESS LEVEL Arduous

            The following positions maintain currency for ENGB:

            Division/Group Supervisor (DIVS) Incident Commander Type 3 (ICT3) Incident Commander Type 4 (ICT4) Operations Section Chief Type 3, Wildland Fire (OPS3) Prescribed Fire Burn Boss Type 1 (RXB1) Prescribed Fire Burn Boss Type 2 (RXB2) Safety Officer, Line (SOFR) Single Resource Boss including (CRWB, FELB, FIRB, HMGB, HEQB) Strike Team Leader Engine (STEN) Task Force Leader (TFLD) ENGB

            Competencies
            • High attention to detail
            • Self ? managed and directed, able to proactively carry out responsibilities with minimal supervision
            • Composure during high stress situations
            • Professional appearance, demeanor and manners


            Do YOU have those qualifications?

            I would venture at a wildland fire these guys are better trained, equipped, and experienced than your average city FD at wildland fire fighting.


            Originally posted by drparasite View Post

            Lets move this to a structure fire. You are first due on the engine on a house fire, and as officer, start assigning tasks to your 4 man crew. While you are preparing to make entry, two guys in a brush truck pull around back, start breaking windows and spraying water from a booster line. They say they are from the insurance company, and were hired to save the house. do you have a problem with what they are doing?.
            Lets not. No where does it even talk about a response to a working fire.

            Originally posted by drparasite View Post

            If these guys want to do prevention, before an incident, particular around the properties of their subscribers, I'm cool with it. you want to clear brush and limbs? awesome. you want to enter the warm or hot zone of a major incident? now we have an issue. You want to do your own thing, possibly interfering with our action plan, with no accountability or oversight? a bigger issue. If you want to help out, you report to the command post, advise them who you are, why you are here, and who requested you, and then we can talk. otherwise, your freelancing, and likely to get yourself or someone else killed.
            The crew protecting one house is not going to effect your action plan, and should be simply treated as civilians. Perhaps the command staff in areas where they provide this service should be proactive in reaching out to them to share information in advance.


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            • #7
              Originally posted by tree68 View Post
              Not sure I like the whole badge/uniform thing - it casts an official air on them, and they aren't municipal firefighters with the attendant authority..

              Beyond that, heck, if they can save my house, more power to them.
              What badge/uniform thing?

              They don't need badges, and uniforms are all the rage for employers. What "authority" is conveyed by a set of turnouts?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by LVFD301 View Post

                What badge/uniform thing?

                They don't need badges, and uniforms are all the rage for employers. What "authority" is conveyed by a set of turnouts?
                The employees in the images were wearing badges, and to the uninitiated (ie, the general public) would appear to be actual firefighters, not representatives of a company selling a product.

                There is a certain implied authority, or maybe the word should be trust, if you show up at the door in what appears to be official attire.
                Opinions my own. Standard disclaimers apply.

                Everyone goes home. Safety begins with you.

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