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    The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened. --Norman Mattoon Thomas, 6 time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America

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    • #62
      Originally posted by txgp17 View Post
      Stupid pics.
      All you have left is stupid pics hoping that people forget your crackpot claims.

      To paraphrase one of my favorite lines from the 2012 Presidential debates.

      "Please proceed moonbat."

      Meanwhile Obama just keeps winning.
      Last edited by scfire86; 12-24-2013, 10:20 AM.
      They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

      I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
        Meanwhile Obama just keeps winning.
        Yet his approval ratings are at an all-time low?

        I believe that the election results from the 2012 reveal some interesting information, especially this one.
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        • #64
          Originally posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
          Yet his approval ratings are at an all-time low?

          I believe that the election results from the 2012 reveal some interesting information, especially this one.
          Since when have conservatives ever cared about approval ratings. When Bush's approval ratings started plummeting we were being told by conservatives that Bush was showing leadership by making the tough decisions. Now all of a sudden they claim ratings are indicative of something significant.
          They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

          I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
            Since when have conservatives ever cared about approval ratings.
            As a conservative-leaning moderate, I've always kept an eye on the approval ratings as one of the many ways to judge the POTUS success in office - no matter who holds the position.

            With somewhere between 34% and 40% (depending on the statistics you read) of registered voters identifying themselves as Democrats, and Obama's approval rating hovering around the 42% mark, it's clear that it's not just conservatives who don't shed favorable light on his presidency thus far.

            So, what's your take on the Obamacare fiasco? What this some kind of republican sabotage as well?
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            • #66
              Originally posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
              As a conservative-leaning moderate, I've always kept an eye on the approval ratings as one of the many ways to judge the POTUS success in office - no matter who holds the position.
              I don't view approval ratings as a measure of success.

              Originally posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
              With somewhere between 34% and 40% (depending on the statistics you read) of registered voters identifying themselves as Democrats, and Obama's approval rating hovering around the 42% mark, it's clear that it's not just conservatives who don't shed favorable light on his presidency thus far.
              Once again this makes me chuckle. In the weeks and months leading up to the 2012 election conservatives were saying that polls were not to be believed since they were convinced Romney was going to win handily. Now polls are all of a sudden accurate. That being said, context is needed. Obama has approvals in the 30% - 45% range. Sounds bad. Until one looks at the approval for both congress, the GOP, and especially the Tea Party. All of whom have approvals at less than 20%. If you view approval ratings as a measure of success, then you would have to agree those groups are failing miserably.

              Originally posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
              So, what's your take on the Obamacare fiasco? What this some kind of republican sabotage as well?
              No. I laugh at the predictability of conservative amnesia. Medicare Part D had problems with its rollout. Not only was Bush’s rollout anything but smooth, but administration officials had some trouble getting the online tool up and running and had to delay its debut for weeks. Computer glitches caused low-income beneficiaries to go without needed medications and sent pharmacies the wrong drug information. Before it was all resolved, administration officials were appearing at hearings before congressional committees laying out the flaws in the law’s implementation and detailing how the administration would address them.

              If one's information was strictly from conservative news outlets, one would never know any of the aforementioned had happened when the president they supported enacted such an ambitious program. Historians will tell you the same things happened when FDR enacted Social Security and when LBJ enacted Medicare/Medicaid.

              Where conservatives really fail is they have yet to put forth a viable alternative that has been shown to work.
              Last edited by scfire86; 12-26-2013, 11:36 AM.
              They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

              I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                Meanwhile Obama just keeps winning.
                Like this?


                And if he's winning so much, then why did Dingy Harry Reid exercise the nuclear option on judicial confirmations. I remember the democrat's "sky if falling" rhetoric when it was mentioned (not exercised) under GWB.

                The list of Obama failures is long. He distances himself and blames others at every turn. It's what he's done his entire life.
                Last edited by txgp17; 12-27-2013, 10:30 PM.
                The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened. --Norman Mattoon Thomas, 6 time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                  I don't view approval ratings as a measure of success.
                  Your desire to continually use polls to substantiate your point contradicts that. For example:
                  Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                  Gallup will soon be releasing poll data that details just five states, collectively containing about 2 percent of the American population, have statistically significant pluralities of adults identifying themselves as Republicans.
                  Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                  Even the conservative polls are showing Biden as being considered more capable as either a VP or POTUS.
                  Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                  You are allowed to have your opinon. After all even the most liberal poll shows Palin with about a third of the folks believing she won. You must be one of those in the minority.
                  Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                  Isn't it interesting that Obama is very close in CO and FL. Two states Bush won handily in '04.

                  Surprising one state that isn't mentioned is VA. Obama has managed a five point lead in what was a certain red state.

                  The momentum has already shifted away from McCain since the Palin bounce. It's obvious.
                  Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                  The latest polls in the last year+ have all stated their desire we get out. As has the current Iraqi president.
                  Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                  Given that McCain is plummeting in the polls I would say nothing.
                  Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                  The McCain/Palin ticket is behind in every major poll including the ones considered conservative.
                  Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                  Dream on. There has no bounce for McCain since the start of the RNC.
                  Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                  I just know the Bush Administration suffered a huge setback because of its Katrina response to the point where the GOP lost control of Congress the following year and continues to be pummelled at the polls.

                  Coincidence? You tell me.
                  Originally posted by scfire86
                  Obama has definitely lost ground in the polls. (source: firehouse.com/forums/t110001/#post1087111)
                  Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                  You may want to read state polls since that is how we elect presidents.
                  Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                  After all, that's what Cheney did. And his approval ratings are right there with Congress.
                  Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                  The polls are absolutely correct.
                  Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                  Obama's approval ratings are about the same as Reagan's during the first year of his first term.
                  Oh, and I just love this little nugget from December 20, 2009, before the jackass party got eviscerated in the elections.
                  Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                  I expect the Dems to lose seats. I'll be suprised if they lost majorities in either house.
                  For someone who dismisses a poll, you sure do write about them a lot.
                  Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                  Where conservatives really fail is they have yet to put forth a viable alternative that has been shown to work.
                  They're put forth continually, liberals choose to ignore them.
                  The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened. --Norman Mattoon Thomas, 6 time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by txgp17 View Post
                    Your desire to continually use polls to substantiate your point contradicts that. For example:Oh, and I just love this little nugget from December 20, 2009, before the jackass party got eviscerated in the elections. For someone who dismisses a poll, you sure do write about them a lot.They're put forth continually, liberals choose to ignore them.
                    Hey moonbat. He's still president. Despite all the polls leading up to the 2012 elections that conservatives refused to believe. Despite all the beliefs to the contrary from conservatives (including you), remind us again of who won. Please put up more posts claiming he is ineligible to be president. I enjoyed those the most.

                    BTW, I said viable alternatives that have been shown to work. I didn't say conservatives had not put up any alternatives. They just haven't been shown to work. Reading, it's FUNdamental.

                    The irony is the model for Obamacare is an idea put forth by conservatives during the 90's. Then of course there is the irony that the 2012 GOP candidate for president enacted a version of Obamacare when he was governor.
                    Last edited by scfire86; 12-28-2013, 12:42 PM.
                    They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

                    I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                      Please put up more posts claiming he is ineligible to be president. I enjoyed those the most.
                      You've yet to link to one where I said he was ineligible because of his birth certificate. If there were so many, why are you having so much trouble finding them? This should be my 1,284th post, compared to your 9,732. Finding one shouldn't be that hard. Clearly they don't exist, or you're to incompetent to locate them.

                      And nothing is as entertaining as your silly allegations about the cost of the Iraq War.
                      Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                      Three of those trillion dollar photos is the price of the Iraq War.

                      Make sure you let us all know when this counter reaches $3,000,000,000,000.00.
                      http://www.nationalpriorities.org/cost-of/

                      or better yet, tell us how you don't see approval ratings as a measure of success, yet you mention them to support your position no less than 14 times (firehouse.com/forums/t107299-2/#post1395277)

                      And while you're at it, show us all where any Bush administration official said the Iraq War wouldn't cost a dime.
                      Originally posted by scfire86
                      You're so obsessed with the difference in the cost of the war when one of its selling points was that it wouldn't cost the taxpayers a dime. Oil revenues were going to pay for it.
                      (source: firehouse.com/forums/t110407/#post1094060)
                      Your math is no better than your history either, because we all remember that time you tried to say that Republicans had control on Congress in 1994. When the fact is that the 103rd Congress had Democrat majorities in both the Senate and HoR. It seems your revisionism form of history isn't limited to Reagan's governorship is it?
                      Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                      So it's Clinton's fault? And who was in charge of congress during those years?
                      And last but not least, let's all be reminded on the multiple times you whined about no one ever reporting the Bush/Nazi comparisons.
                      Originally posted by txgp17 View Post
                      You can claim you don't remember saying anything about Bush/Hitler/Nazi comparisons, but facts tell us otherwise.
                      Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                      BTW, I said viable alternatives that have been shown to work. I didn't say conservatives had not put up any alternatives. They just haven't been shown to work. Reading, it's FUNdamental.
                      It's called a free market, and it works everywhere it's tried. It worked great before the government got involved. You just choose to ignore it. Everywhere the government sticks its heavy hand of regulation, it causes chaos. It continues to distort and harm individuals in the housing market, prescription drugs, our fiat currency, wages for low skilled workers, and healthcare.

                      There is a reason healthcare prices continue to rise faster than other things like clothes, food, beverages, automobiles, hand tools, power tools, sunglasses, shoes, plumbing supplies, etc. Relatively free markets.
                      Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                      The irony is the model for Obamacare is an idea put forth by conservatives during the 90's.
                      Please do show us all who these conservatives are, and what are the details of their plans.
                      Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                      Then of course there is the irony that the 2012 GOP candidate for president enacted a version of Obamacare when he was governor.
                      And Gov Romney vetoed 8 sections of the bill, and the legislature later overrode him on all 8 sections. You see, Romney governing Massachusetts, was like Reagan governing the People's Replublik of Kalifornistan. A Republican governor trying to get things done with a liberal legislature capable of overriding almost every veto he issues.

                      And Romneycare is failing, just like Obamacare will. RomneyCare was costing more than it was billed as, didn't lower healthcare costs like it claimed it would, and doesn't provide universal coverage like it was advertised to do. Both plans are "managed competition," which leaves insurance privately owned but forces it to operate in an artificial and highly regulated marketplace similar to a public utility.

                      I'm astounded that liberals believe that we cannot afford to pay for health insurance and doctors, but we can afford to pay for health insurance, doctors, and government bureaucracy to administer it.

                      I just love it when liberals like scfire86 jump in the the repugnant conga line of ideological freaks and overpaid Affirmative Action morons who comprise Democrat Party and speak their mind, spreading around weapons grade stupidity.
                      Last edited by txgp17; 12-29-2013, 12:23 AM.
                      The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened. --Norman Mattoon Thomas, 6 time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by txgp17 View Post
                        ....Reagan governing the People's Replublik of Kalifornistan. A Republican governor trying to get things done with a liberal legislature capable of overriding almost every veto he issues.
                        Dems didn't have the votes to override Reagan's vetoes when he was governor or president. Unless you believe Reagan was Governor in the late 1800's. That was the last time Dems had supermajorities in both houses of the legislature. The votes were certainly not present to override his vetoes in the Senate during the first six years of his presidency since the GOP enjoyed a majority (in that chamber) during that time. Had your scenario been the case, there would have been no downside to him vetoing those spending bills that raised taxes.

                        I never said his actions (raising taxes, loosening immigration and abortion laws, expanding government et al) weren't necessary or bad. I stated those actions as governor and president would cause him to get kicked out of today's GOP.

                        Reading....it's FUNdamental. I'm not surprised you didn't understand (or more likely missed) the point.

                        Originally posted by txgp17 View Post
                        You've yet to link to one where I said he was ineligible because of his birth certificate.
                        Hey moonbat. I already posted a link of you stating he wasn't constitutionally eligible to be president. Be a good conservative and own up to your remarks.

                        Originally posted by txgp17 View Post
                        I don't have a PhD in math, but I know that counter hasn't reached $3,000,000,000,000.00 yet. But we do love it when you perform your contortionist routine trying to prove that it's true.
                        We're accutely aware of your academic creds. I posted a link on another thread substantiating how the Iraq war costs will be around $3T. The counter only shows direct costs of the war. There's more to a war. Since Bush borrowed the money to fight both of them (fiscally irresponsible), the interest on those borrowed funds probably isn't included in your cute little counter. Someone with a PhD would know that. So you shouldn't have admitted what we already know. It makes you look ignorant of the topic....as usual. Costs go on and on long after (almost a century) the last shot is fired for a given conflict. A smart person would also know that. So that pretty much excludes you.

                        But here's a link to help you better understand how those estimates are derived.

                        In case that one doesn't work, here's another.

                        Happy New Year moonbat. I'll toast to you with a very nice libation in your honor. Probably purchased with my wife's earnings.
                        Last edited by scfire86; 01-04-2014, 03:21 PM.
                        They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

                        I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                          Dems didn't have the votes to override Reagan's vetoes when he was governor or president.
                          I didn't say Democrats had a supermajority, I said a liberal legislature capable of overriding. Republicans can be liberal too. In Reagan's gubernatorial term, the spenders outnumbered the non-spenders. For someone who puts so much emphasis on FUNdamental reading, you don't do much of it.
                          Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                          I never said his actions (raising taxes, loosening immigration and abortion laws, expanding government et al) weren't necessary or bad. I stated those actions as governor and president would cause him to get kicked out of today's GOP.

                          Reagan signed the amnesty on immigration with the expectation that it would be a one shot solution. In order for this to happen, we'd have to get tough on illegal immigration by
                          • government making a concerted effort to control the borders.
                          • effective employer verification program to ensure only legal workers were hired.


                          But liberal Senators like Ted Kennedy tried to water it down the enforcement provisions by amending it, even years after it passed. The reason the GOP doesn't support repeating the mistakes of the of the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act is that we learned our lesson. The promise of "Legalize now, enforce later," didn't work then, and wouldn't work today.

                          Guys don't be fooled by the smoke and mirrors the democrats use to advance immigration reform. It isn't about people or families, it's the largest voter drive in history.

                          Reagan was once a democrat. But in 1962 he wised up and switched to the GOP. "I didn't leave the Democratic Party," he famously said. "The party left me." But liars who distort history to advance their political agenda want you to ignore such facts.

                          And remember that day in 1981 when Reagan fired 11,345 striking air traffic controllers, that's the Reagan sane people remember.
                          Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                          Hey moonbat.
                          Moonbat describes a liberal, so says Wikipedia, Wiktionary, urban dictionary, USLegal.com and a Google Image Search of the term gives countless pics of Øbama and other leftists, showing it's prolific association with the left wing.

                          Proving that in addition to rewriting history, scfire86 will attempt to rewrite terminology to advance his leftist authoritarian collectivism agenda.
                          Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                          I already posted a link of you stating he wasn't constitutionally eligible to be president. Be a good conservative and own up to your remarks.
                          No, you accused me of saying he was ineligible because of his birth certificate. Here it is in case you forgot:
                          Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                          How about telling us again about how he is ineligible to be president because of his birth certificate.
                          The very least you could do is read your own posts. Now show everyone were I said that Barry was ineligible because of his birth certificate. Or is substantiating your own lies something that's beyond you?
                          Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                          We're accutely aware of your academic creds or lack thereof.
                          Oh the irony. When a liberal blowhard tries to belittle my intelligence with misspelled words. The correct spelling is "acutely." Maybe you'd like to edit it out and pretend it never happened, like you do with other instances of history.
                          Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                          I posted a link on another thread substantiating how the Iraq war costs will be around $3T.
                          According to the Three Stooges. Anyone can make an estimate. Costs are what you can show on a balance sheet. Your form of accounting would get any CPA's credentials flushed down the toilet for not following GAAP.

                          Still waiting to see $3,000,000,000,000.00
                          Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                          The counter only shows direct costs of the war. There's more to a war.
                          Try running that fantasy unicorn crap with the IRS and see how far it goes. Oh I almost forgot, the IRS is too busy targeting conservatives, so liberals like you don't have anything to worry about.
                          Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                          Since Bush borrowed the money to fight both of them (fiscally irresponsible), the interest on those borrowed funds probably isn't included in your cute little counter.
                          What does that say about the reckless spending by Barry Soetoro?

                          Submitting budgets with massive deficits and then pushing legislation that reduces revenue streams is part and parcel with President Downgrade's economic policy. It's lunacy to believe those policies aren't responsible.
                          The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened. --Norman Mattoon Thomas, 6 time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by txgp17 View Post
                            Reagan signed the amnesty on immigration with the expectation that it would be a one shot solution.
                            Regardless, actions like those would have gotten him kicked out of today's GOP.

                            Out of curiousity, which GOP state legislators would have been willing to override his vetoes when he was Governor?


                            And remember that day in 1981 when Reagan fired 11,345 striking air traffic controllers, that's the Reagan sane people remember.[/QUOTE]
                            Today's GOP wouldn't have allowed him to run for president because he had a record of raising taxes and loosening abortion laws as Governor.


                            Originally posted by txgp17 View Post
                            Still waiting to see $3,000,000,000,000.00
                            Put forth two links that describe how the $3T+ figure is derived. Feel free to read any of them.
                            Last edited by scfire86; 01-04-2014, 09:51 PM.
                            They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

                            I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                              Meanwhile Obama just keeps winning.
                              Get shovel. Even "thrill up my leg" Chris Matthews thinks President Downgrade had a crappy year. But scfire86 want's everyone to think he's winning. It's absurd. But then, very little of the democrat platform isn't.


                              The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened. --Norman Mattoon Thomas, 6 time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by txgp17 View Post
                                Get shovel. Even "thrill up my leg" Chris Matthews thinks President Downgrade had a crappy year. But scfire86 want's everyone to think he's winning. It's absurd. But then, very little of the democrat platform isn't.
                                Since when have you cared about what Chris Matthews thinks?

                                He's still president. An office you claimed he was ineligible to hold.
                                They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

                                I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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