Chicken sh*t Nancy Pelosi!!!!!

[flamewalker25]

[QUOTE=Raughammer1;976165]“The ‘windfall profits’ tax is back, with Barack Obama stumping again to apply it to a handful of big oil companies. Which raises a few questions: What is a ‘windfall’ profit anyway? How does it differ from your everyday, run of the mill profit? Is it some absolute number, a matter of return on equity or sales—or does it merely depend on who earns it? Enquiring entrepreneurs want to know. Unfortunately, Mr. Obama’s ‘emergency’ plan, announced on Friday, doesn’t offer any clarity. To pay for ‘stimulus’ checks of $1,000 for families and $500 for individuals, the Senator says government would take ‘a reasonable share’ of oil company profits. Mr. Obama didn’t bother to define ‘reasonable’... This extraordinary redefinition of free-market success could use some parsing. Take Exxon Mobil, which on Thursday reported the highest quarterly profit ever and is the main target of any ‘windfall’ tax surcharge. Yet if its profits are at record highs, its tax bills are already at record highs too. Between 2003 and 2007, Exxon paid $64.7 billion in U.S. taxes, exceeding its after-tax U.S. earnings by more than $19 billion. That sounds like a government windfall to us, but perhaps we’re missing some... business subtlety.


Great post!!! Obama is a socialist through and through. Socialism is the one type of government that has proven time and again to fail. Wealth redistribution ala USSR, historic Germany, on and on and on. In most cases I don't care for government hand outs. There are some cases where people, through no fault of their own, have fallen on hard times and need a little help to bounce back. That's fine with me. Use the system's help once to get back on your feet, but not again.

Does anybody remember both Hillary and Obama saying "I'm going to get Big Oil's money"??? Keep your friggin' hands out of there!!! We're already taxing the crap out of Big Oil and we wonder why gas is so high?! In Missouri I think total taxes on a gallon of gas is approx. $.45-.50/gallon. Seriously?! Does the government need THAT much $$$ off of oil? Big government should absolutely LOVE Big Oil!!! Instead the libs want to take more from Big Oil, yeah that'll lower price at the pump.

[jsin925]

Have you ever heard of security? They establish these zones not to infringe on free speech rights, but to allow people to use their free speech, and express themselves safely for all.
There really are no bigger security risks than both parties national conventions. Why do people not understand this? Everyone has the right to free speech, but everyone also has the right to be safe. Security is a huge issue, and needs to be addressed. In fact, the DNC is doing the same thing in Denver, and it's ****ing people off out there too.
Believe it or not, free speech has some limitations.

The Secret Service is in a tough spot, but they are letting people express themselves. These conventions are extraordinary events, that are huge targets, and provide a nightmare to keep everyone safe. The amount of leaders who will be present at these events is about as juicy a target as there is.

The only people in New York who were arrested were those who wanted to be arrested. The actions of the Secret Service in these cases is in no way a violation of anyones free speech.

didn't benjamin franklin say that those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

here's an article from the american conservative that blasts the free speech zones: http://www.amconmag.com/12_15_03/feature.html

[flamewalker25]

While I'm all for drilling and using our own oil, it's my understanding that middle-east oil (Sweet crude I believe they call it) requires far less refining. Ours is almost sludge compared to that stuff.

I think a bigger priority (at least from my viewpoint) is to start using the pumps out in Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, and other places that are sitting idle. Build more refineries, as well, so that we can handle the ever-increasing demand instead of letting other countries refine it for us. If you want to start drilling in some isolated portion of a wildlife reserve or off the coast of Florida, go for it and get it ready for future issues.

All the while, start looking at alternative energy that is efficient and cost-effective, not using a gallon of oil to turn corn into a gallon of gas that gets half the mileage.

I'm with you but look at all the crap that has to be waded through to get a refinery going!! Cut back the governmental BS and let's get things going. But yeah, if we can get what we already have fired up while drilling for future expansion go right ahead. The notion of it taking 10-15 years to get a drilling site opened up and going is ludicrous.

Alternative energy is good idea, however, my concern is what happens to our vehicles in 10,20, or 30 years down the road if there is "THE" new energy source? Will it be something that current vehicles can be retrofitted to use? Or will vehicles as we know them change?

I did read something really interesting the other day on the natural production of oil. I can't remember where I read this, but there is a hypothesis that oil is not a "fossil" fuel but is a byproduct of chemical reactions that take place down near the earth's core. Haven't heard much about it, anybody else?

[FireCapt1951retired]

[QUOTE=Great post!!! Obama is a socialist through and through. Socialism is the one type of government that has proven time and again to fail. Wealth redistribution ala USSR, historic Germany, on and on and on. In most cases I don't care for government hand outs. There are some cases where people, through no fault of their own, have fallen on hard times and need a little help to bounce back. That's fine with me. Use the system's help once to get back on your feet, but not again.

Does anybody remember both Hillary and Obama saying "I'm going to get Big Oil's money"??? Keep your friggin' hands out of there!!! We're already taxing the crap out of Big Oil and we wonder why gas is so high?! In Missouri I think total taxes on a gallon of gas is approx. $.45-.50/gallon. Seriously?! Does the government need THAT much $$$ off of oil? Big government should absolutely LOVE Big Oil!!! Instead the libs want to take more from Big Oil, yeah that'll lower price at the pump.[/QUOTE]





It's not the first time this tactic will be used. Carter did it (oil windfall profits tax) in the 70's and it turned out to be a real freaking nightmare. Prices were not only driven upward but shortages were common (at least here they were). It was not uncommon for me to wait in a 1/2 mile line to get gas at the time and you could only purchase 10 gallons at a time. Then matters got even worse with an oil embargo (they can do it any time right now) by some of the present OPEC countries.

Alternative energy is going to be neccessary but drilling is also going to be needed so we can provide for our own instead of sending billions over to countries who in reality are an enemy. The longer Congress waits to deal with this situation the worse it will get in the future. I see no reason or arguement that proves to me that we shouldn't be providing all of our own energy needs, be it through oil, natural gas and any other energy form that can be brought on line over time (except ethanol, which I belief to be a total joke). This should have been addressed over 25 - 30 years ago but so goes politics.

As far as refineries, the government has made it very cumbersome to not only expand present refineries but to even build new ones. Here, Ashland Oil (only one left here out of over 20 refineries in 1979) wanted to expand its refinery operations to the tune of 1 billion dollars and had to fight the government B.S. for 10 years to get the permission and permits for the expansion.

[Jasper 45]

didn't benjamin franklin say that those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

You can disagree with the policy all that you want, no problem with that.
The fact is though, they are encouraging people to come and protest. There is no limiting of your ability to speak freely, none at all. People complain that it is a violation of privacy to have to go thru a metal detector, or a search as well.

You can go to the convention and protest till you're blue in the face if you want. The conventions are still going to go on, which are all part of free speech. Are you trying to suggest that the Secret Service should not try to make the conventions as safe as possible? Is it a violation of your rights for them to protect the leaders of our country?

Limiting free speech is when you can not express yourself. Free expression can not come at the expense of others, though. If your free speech endangers other people, it should be stopped.
For some people, detonating an explosive could be a form of free speech. For others, it's burning a flag. If you burn that flag in a crowd, you are placing other people at risk, as is the explosive.

It is a tough issue. However, allowing people to congregate in one spot to voice their opinion is no different than keeping protesters in a specific spot in front of the Whitehouse. People are still allowed to voice their opinion, protest, or express themselves freely. There is no infringement of anyones rights at the Democratic convention.

[ChiefKN]

the PATRIOT act gives the government the right to suspend all of your rights and take away your freedom if they feel like it.

I'm just in awe of how uneducated you are... my friend, please stop posting.

Your posts are so off base and your opinions are based in no reality.

Someone else's turn here... please.

[jsin925]

I'm just in awe of how uneducated you are... my friend, please stop posting.

Your posts are so off base and your opinions are based in no reality.

Someone else's turn here... please.

When the debate is over, slander becomes the tool of the loser.

[Tomcat1066]

There wasn't any slander there.

Besides, defamation of character in print (such as the internet) is liable, though these comments aren't liable either I'm afraid.

[txgp17]

Chevrolet Blazers (Tahoes) 1960's
Chevrolet Suburban was in some form or another since the Depression
Ford Bronco (Fullsize and II) 1960's
Ford Explorer (replaced the Bronco II) in the Early 90's...during Slick Willies reign
International Travel-all Prior to the 60's IIRC

Sorry, bro...the rest of your post was spot on. The Mantra of US Automakers has always been...if they want it, we will build it.

Thank you for reinforcing my point. I was being facetious.

[jsin925]

There wasn't any slander there.

Besides, defamation of character in print (such as the internet) is liable, though these comments aren't liable either I'm afraid.

i believe you mean libel. anyway, i was just trying to be funny, because that was at the end of chiefkn's post.

[jsin925]

I'm just in awe of how uneducated you are... my friend, please stop posting.

Your posts are so off base and your opinions are based in no reality.

Someone else's turn here... please.

here's a link to an article from the american conservative that explains exactly what i said the PATRIOT act has the power to do and how it has been used (some years ago), so my opinion is based in reality: http://www.amconmag.com/05_19_03/cover.html

are these guys nutjobs too? they are conservative after all.

[ChiefKN]

When the debate is over, slander becomes the tool of the loser.

I realize that, and I usually do not insult people on forums... I'm not trying to, but I don't know how else to put it.

You are so far out in left field and refuse to believe any mainstream source. You slander your own country and promote this Chavez...

I just don't understand you.

[ChiefKN]

here's a link to an article from the american conservative that explains exactly what i said the PATRIOT act has the power to do and how it has been used (some years ago), so my opinion is based in reality: http://www.amconmag.com/05_19_03/cover.html

are these guys nutjobs too? they are conservative after all.

Yes, they are.

As pointed out by another post in this thread...show me the evidence about the big bad patriot act.

[jsin925]

I realize that, and I usually do not insult people on forums... I'm not trying to, but I don't know how else to put it.

You are so far out in left field and refuse to believe any mainstream source. You slander your own country and promote this Chavez...

I just don't understand you.

i don't mean to promote chavez. i just don't see things the way you do. i'll admit he's no saint, a bit of an egomaniac, and a little over the top. all world leaders have blood on their hands. one can't lead a country and not.

some of the best americans had harsh words for this place, like martin luther king, jr., and mark twain to name a couple.

i just don't trust the mainstream media. bring murrow back and the goldwater conservatives, and then i would trust them a little more. not fully, just a little more.

but please, don't hold your tongue for me, this is america.

[jsin925]

Yes, they are.

As pointed out by another post in this thread...show me the evidence about the big bad patriot act.

you wouldn't believe it anyway, unless it was on fox news, cnn, or msnbc.