Chicken sh*t Nancy Pelosi!!!!!

[jsin925]

the repubicrats don't care about the average person. they can afford gas even if it goes up to $10 a gallon. they live off of the taxpayers and give themselves raises regardless of how good of a job the people think they're doing. we live in a plutocracy, so all that matters is what the rich people want, hence bush's tax cuts that the middle class is paying for. rich democrats poo poo the tax cuts but they benefit from them so they don't really mind. both parties suck.

should we open up areas for drilling? i have no idea, but there has to be lots of money to be made in alternative energy. the problem is how some of our cities were designed that forces one to have a car to get things like food, clothing, so on and so forth. the price of gas has always been high in europe, but there cities were designed before cars, therefore one could walk to get what one needs, and they do, that's why they're more healthy than us. the fact is the price of gas is going to continue to go up as long as corporations like exxon are raking in billion dollar quarter profits. better invest in a scooter or bike, because the price will continue to go up and up. or, move to venezuala where the price of gas in like 12-25 cents a gallon.

we need to make a lot of changes as a society about they way we live. not depending on the people in congress to change anything is a good start. the people of this country have the power and need to exert it.

[ThNozzleman]

My friend, the topic of this thread is how the folks in DC acted irresponsibly and just walked off the job.

Bull shi!t. The topic is "Chicken**** Nancy Pelosi", an attack on her and the Democratic party for merely voting to adjourn the House, something that happens every August by law. Did you even watch the clip? Of course you didn't. How do you feel about the Rethuglican crybabies booing the statements of the VFW?

Just once I wish they would stop acting like children and work to solve our problems.

The only ones acting like children are the Republicans, who are merely grandstanding and pulling election year shenanigans. This is quite clear to anyone making an honest observation.

Even I can see that the solution is to open up areas for drilling to increase the supply of oil.

Irrelevant to the topic at hand, and an exercise in ignorance at best. The House adjourned, stopping the Republicans sideshow of attempting to attach energy policy content to a bill that was meant to address veterans and military issues. When they didn't get their way, they started acting like spoiled brats. Will misguided people like you still be around when the oil companies have exploited the last drop of oil from everywhere? What will you say the answer will be then? Drilling is not the answer, because the supplies are always finite and it's only a matter of time before people like you start your arrogant wailings again, expecting taxpayers to bailout billionaires in the oil business.

The rest of your post is nothing but a pathetic attempt to distract from the real issue at hand. The Republicans are the ones being unreasonable, and anyone defending their actions are either utterly confused on the issue, or are being as stupid as the Republican crybabies in the House.

Why do you refuse to address the issue? This has zero to do with any real advancement on energy, and everything to do with business as usual by the Republicans.

[ChiefKN]

i don't offer up conspiracy theories, just the facts about what is going on. if that makes me a radical, then so be it. there's no need for black helicopters when the public is uneducated and misinformed.

Don't quote what others are telling you... quote the law where it says that. The two wingnuts you quoted are hardly a reputable source. Be a free thinker, read the laws and then talk to me.

I read the actual law and it does not exist.

[ChiefKN]

Back to the topic of the thread...you know, the one where the Rethuglicans attempted to attach their energy nonsense to a bill concerning veterans. Gotta love how the idiots on the right booed the Veterans of Foreign Wars. Classy.

I love your cute little sayings... "rethuglicans"... classic.

I have one, "Demoweasels" or how about "Wehateamerica-crats".

By the way, I love how Obama has flip-flopped yet again and will now concede to off-shore drilling.

The great centrist migration has begun! It's a great democratic tradition where the democractic nominee must appear more of a centrist to try to win the general election, and be dishonest about their true beliefs.

So much fun!

[ChiefKN]

Drilling is not the answer, because the supplies are always finite and it's only a matter of time before people like you start your arrogant wailings again, expecting taxpayers to bailout billionaires in the oil business.

Talk about clueless...

OF COURSE we must drill more. How could finding more oil not help the cost of oil? It most certainly will, and yes, it will not help this year, but we must prepare for the future and explore now. How can anyone not see this?

Should we explore other options, absolutely. However, while we wait for the car that runs on Obama's flip-flops and lies we need to find oil.

What is your opposition to drilling more? Environmental? Anti-corporation? Black helicopters? Do you hate roughnecks??????

WHAT could possibly be the reason?

[hwoods]

Ok................

Here's a bit of advice:

DUMP THE INCUMBENTS!!


We, as a nation, will elect (or reelect) every house member, and one third of the Senate in November of this year. If EVERY Incumbent is turned out of office on Election Day, EVERY Politician in the Country will get the message.

LET'S DO IT!!..........

[Rescue101]

Better yet,fire the whole lot and put some working class folk in there who know what it's like out here. T.C.

[JonathanG]

the price of gas has always been high in europe, but there cities were designed before cars, therefore one could walk to get what one needs, and they do, that's why they're more healthy than us. the fact is the price of gas is going to continue to go up as long as corporations like exxon are raking in billion dollar quarter profits. better invest in a scooter or bike, because the price will continue to go up and up. or, move to venezuala where the price of gas in like 12-25 cents a gallon.[/b]

I TOTALLY agree. I love how the design of Europe is, as you said more walking compatible. A few neighborhoods being developed are being built next to plazas with Wal-Marts, grocery stores, video shops, barber shops, tanning, etc that have bike/walking paths from the neighborhood to the plaza. Very neat idea, but very expensive to buy a home there.

I live in a neighborhood surrounded by farms. Grocery stores and basic living needs would require a car or a five hour walk to get there and back. Designing more living areas close to grocery stores, etc is what i'd love to see. A more europe-like approach as you've said.

[jsin925]

Don't quote what others are telling you... quote the law where it says that. The two wingnuts you quoted are hardly a reputable source. Be a free thinker, read the laws and then talk to me.

I read the actual law and it does not exist.

so congressmen aren't reputable sources now? interesting. i guess they're only reputable if you agree with them. ron paul and dennis kucinich have their faults, but they were not the only ones who were against it, but i guess those other guys are just crazy too. and i quoted how the law defines homegrown terrorism, etc, so yes, i have read the law. i am a free thinker that's why i'm against any kind of government commission to investigate the american people. it's been done before with the House Un-American Activities Committee searching for communists and subversives.

what you says does not exist (i'm assuming you are talking about S. 1858: Newborn Screening Saves Lives Act of 2007 and taking dna) does. how is the government going to study genetic disorders without taking ones dna? the law states in SEC. 1112. CLEARINGHOUSE OF NEWBORN SCREENING INFORMATION.

`(a) In General- The Secretary, acting through the Administrator of the Health Resources and Services Administration (referred to in this part as the `Administrator'), in consultation with the Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Director of the National Institutes of Health, shall establish and maintain a central clearinghouse of current educational and family support and services information, materials, resources, research, and data on newborn screening.

a central clearinghouse can also be called a database or a warehouse of info.

in SEC. 1116. HUNTER KELLY RESEARCH PROGRAM.

`(a) Newborn Screening Activities-

`(1) IN GENERAL- The Secretary, in conjunction with the Director of the National Institutes of Health and taking into consideration the recommendations of the Advisory Committee, may continue carrying out, coordinating, and expanding research in newborn screening (to be known as `Hunter Kelly Newborn Screening Research Program') including--

`(A) identifying, developing, and testing the most promising new screening technologies, in order to improve already existing screening tests, increase the specificity of newborn screening, and expand the number of conditions for which screening tests are available;

`(B) experimental treatments and disease management strategies for additional newborn conditions, and other genetic, metabolic, hormonal and or functional conditions that can be detected through newborn screening for which treatment is not yet available; and

`(C) other activities that would improve newborn screening, as identified by the Director.

`(2) ADDITIONAL NEWBORN CONDITION- For purposes of this subsection, the term `additional newborn condition' means any condition that is not one of the core conditions recommended by the Advisory Committee and adopted by the Secretary.

therefore it will establish a national list of genetic conditions for which newborns and children are to be tested. establish protocols for the linking
and sharing of genetic test results nationwide. build surveillance systems for
tracking the health status and health outcomes of individuals diagnosed
at birth with a genetic defect or trait. use the newborn screening program
as an opportunity for government agencies to identify, list, and study
“secondary conditions” of individuals and their families. subject citizens to genetic research without their knowledge or consent.

genetics = DNA

[ChiefKN]

so congressmen aren't reputable sources now? interesting. i guess they're only reputable if you agree with them. ron paul and dennis kucinich have their faults, but they were not the only ones who were against it, but i guess those other guys are just crazy too. and i quoted how the law defines homegrown terrorism, etc, so yes, i have read the law. i am a free thinker that's why i'm against any kind of government commission to investigate the american people. it's been done before with the House Un-American Activities Committee searching for communists and subversives.

Oh please spare me... Kucinich is a nutjob.

Great, so they have given a definition to homegrown terrorism, so what.

Comparing this to the McCarthy investigation really shows your complete lack of understanding regarding this law and the McCarthy hearings.

therefore it will establish a national list of genetic conditions for which newborns and children are to be tested. establish protocols for the linking
and sharing of genetic test results nationwide. build surveillance systems for tracking the health status and health outcomes of individuals diagnosed at birth with a genetic defect or trait. use the newborn screening program
as an opportunity for government agencies to identify, list, and study “secondary conditions” of individuals and their families. subject citizens to genetic research without their knowledge or consent.

genetics = DNA

I DEFY you to show me where in the law it states that the government will take a sample of your child's dna without your consent. WHERE is it??? It does not exist.

Also, as far as how this information will be used, it will be used for research and developing better screening practices at certain research facilities (there were only 4 of these in the state of PA). It will more than likely even be blinded. This is all standard in medical research.

Furthermore, this program named for Jim Kelly's son who died of Krabbe's disease is designed to research ways to screen newborns for certain diseases.

Why screen them? Well, because some of these metabolic diseases prevent the proper breakdown of food and simply adhering to a special diet would prevent serious complications such as mental retardation. The rest of the panel of 29 diseases like, cystic fibrosis, are better treated with early detection.

The fact that some whackos, like the esteemed Ron Paul and Krazy Kucinich would warp this great bill into something it is not makes me wonder about the people they represent.

This bill had bi-lateral support and I hate to say it, but Hillary Clinton even pushed for it.

More information.

NEWBORN GENETIC SCREENING: SOME STATES EXPANDING THE LIST OF CONDITIONS
By Alissa Johnson

For former Buffalo Bills quarterback Jim Kelly, the issue of screening newborns for genetic and metabolic disorders is personal. His son Hunter was not diagnosed as having Krabbe leukodystrophy until four months after his birth. Unable to swallow, Hunter and his parents battled the disease for eight years until the boy's death. "Every child deserves a chance at a good life, and if there is a way that we can make sure they have that chance, let's do it," he said.

Hunter’s condition is just one of many in which an early diagnosis may mean a world of difference. State public health programs screen an estimated 4.1 million newborns annually for genetic and metabolic disorders. Early detection of many abnormalities can prevent severe disability, mental retardation or even death. It may also save states and families money by avoiding financially burdensome medical costs and state institutional services. But whether a newborn receives screening for a particular condition depends on his or her birthplace. The list of conditions screened for at birth (referred to as a newborn screening panel) differs from state to state. This disparity and the technological advances that allow for expanded screening have led some groups, such as the March of Dimes, to ask all states to screen for a basic uniform panel.

After evaluating scientific evidence, the American College of Medical Genetics recommended certain conditions for which all infants should be screened. It was a challenge, according to Michael Watson, executive director. "Because of the rarity of the diseases, there was not an enormous literature base for the conditions. So we focused on a two-tiered approach using experts to evaluate these conditions. We went through newborn screening programs all over the world and identified any condition that had been screened."

[edge1317]

Okay, you say my idea won't work because of prison space. Let me hear your plan. I would love to see something actually be done to penalize criminals while leaving me and my legally owned and used firearms alone.

If it was up to me I would elimnate plea bargains and set mandatory sentencing that NO ONE not even federal agencies can supercede. Crime does pay in this country and every day proves it more and more.

I would love to see your plan implemented and work, I was merely stating that I can't see it working in the real world with our current resources and court system. As for my plan, I haven't got any that would work in the real world either. I don't know if you thought I was somehow advocating gun control, I'm not.

[ScareCrow57]

so congressmen aren't reputable sources now? interesting. ...

ROFLMAO!!!!!!! You are talking about the most corrupt group of individuals know to man (AKA Politicians). They have been literally caught in the men's room, the white house, and numerous other places with their pants down. They have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar. They have come up with crazy pork barrel spending that is just stupid. They are constantly bought out by special interest and big business.

If a demcrap says the sky is green the rethuglian will say it is orange. These idiots will take the opposite stand if it is the right thing to do.

So NO!!!! Congressman are not reputable

[ScareCrow57]

If one wades through all of your heavy hand leftist liberal BS they actually find a couple of sentences of good debate.

Bull shi!t. The topic is "Chicken**** Nancy Pelosi", an attack on her and the Democratic party for merely voting to adjourn the House, something that happens every August by law. Did you even watch the clip? Of course you didn't. How do you feel about the Rethuglican crybabies booing the statements of the VFW?

In case you missed it, they all walked off. Fact is, a true leader would have said let's stay and fix this.

The only ones acting like children are the Republicans, who are merely grandstanding and pulling election year shenanigans. This is quite clear to anyone making an honest observation.

You sir are confused or have your head in the sand. They ALL at like children. Look at Nancy. She couldn't get her way so she took her toys and went home like some little brat.

Irrelevant to the topic at hand, and an exercise in ignorance at best. The House adjourned, stopping the Republicans sideshow of attempting to attach energy policy content to a bill that was meant to address veterans and military issues. When they didn't get their way, they started acting like spoiled brats. Will misguided people like you still be around when the oil companies have exploited the last drop of oil from everywhere? What will you say the answer will be then? Drilling is not the answer, because the supplies are always finite and it's only a matter of time before people like you start your arrogant wailings again, expecting taxpayers to bailout billionaires in the oil business.

The rest of your post is nothing but a pathetic attempt to distract from the real issue at hand. The Republicans are the ones being unreasonable, and anyone defending their actions are either utterly confused on the issue, or are being as stupid as the Republican crybabies in the House.

Why do you refuse to address the issue? This has zero to do with any real advancement on energy, and everything to do with business as usual by the Republicans.

What is really relevant is solving the nations energy crisis. Something Ms Pelosi is incapable of doing.

We need to use our own natural resources, this despite the `Al Gores of the Nation. But at the same time, we need to start moving towards other forms of energy. Recall, it was the head liberal (the Kennedys) who objected to a wind farm of the coast of cape cod. That tells you right there they really don't care about solving the problem. Their main concern is how can they profit from the fear they have created.

[ScareCrow57]

Better yet,fire the whole lot and put some working class folk in there who know what it's like out here. T.C.

The problem is that smart people realize this is the worst job in the world. This is why we don't see smart people going into politics.

[jsin925]

Oh please spare me... Kucinich is a nutjob.

Great, so they have given a definition to homegrown terrorism, so what.

Comparing this to the McCarthy investigation really shows your complete lack of understanding regarding this law and the McCarthy hearings.

i don't believe kucinich is a nut job. you must not have read all of what i said in my previous reply. in the definition of homegrown terrorism the law differentiates between force and violence. the term `homegrown terrorism' according to the law means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives. it also defines the term `ideologically based violence' means the use, planned use, or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual's political, religious, or social beliefs. obviously the law sees force as something different than violence. force is defined by Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary as (1): strength or energy exerted or brought to bear : cause of motion or change : active power (2)capitalized —used with a number to indicate the strength of the wind according to the Beaufort scale b: moral or mental strength c: capacity to persuade or convince. so what if the law said that homegrown terrorism means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of moral or mental strength or violence. or the use, planned use, or threatened use, of the capacity to persuade or convince or violence. laws are all about semantics so they use the vague term force which can be defined in different ways. defined this way the civil rights movement, women's sufferage, and the labor movement were all forms of homegrown terrorism and ideologically based violence. so whom will this commission be investigating?

the House Un-American Activities Committee was actually started in 1938. mccarthy used it as a precedent for his own witch hunt, and it took on different incarnations with different names after that.

I DEFY you to show me where in the law it states that the government will take a sample of your child's dna without your consent. WHERE is it??? It does not exist.

show me where it says they won't. if they are screening your child for genetic disorders and warehousing that info, they will have your child's dna. if they have your child's blood they have your child's dna. you wouldn't know if they took your child's dna because after a baby is born they run a bunch of tests on it out of your presence.