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  • Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Wait, you didn't get your check? I'm sure you returned your stimulus check as you are so opposed to subsidies...
    I'm sure you think you're being funny or clever.

    Thanks to the wife's earnings we didn't qualify.
    They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

    I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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    • Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
      I'm sure you think you're being funny or clever.

      Thanks to the wife's earnings we didn't qualify.
      Funny and clever..

      So, you would have given it back if you qualified, right?
      I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

      "The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list."

      "When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water."

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      • Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
        Funny and clever..

        So, you would have given it back if you qualified, right?
        Hypothetical question. Couldn't tell you.
        They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

        I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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        • Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
          Hypothetical question. Couldn't tell you.
          C'mon...what a cop out!

          It would be bad in your opinion to subsidize a rich couple like you and your wife, right?

          In fact, seeing the obscene profits that you and your wife are making, perhaps you should have a special tax applied to your earnings.

          FYI, It's Obama that considers you "rich", McCain doesn't.
          I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

          "The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list."

          "When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water."

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          • Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
            Considering the billions oil companies currently receive via subsidies and credits it's probably a brilliant move on their part.
            Could you please provide the source of this data. Not that I don't believe you

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            • Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
              It would be bad in your opinion to subsidize a rich couple like you and your wife, right?
              And it's one of the reasons we didn't get a stimulus check that was done with more borrowed money that only puts this president at the top of deficit spenders.

              Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
              In fact, seeing the obscene profits that you and your wife are making, perhaps you should have a special tax applied to your earnings.

              FYI, It's Obama that considers you "rich", McCain doesn't.
              FYI. The impact McCain's putting me in SSI will be far greater than the impact of Obama's tax. And that doesn't include the impact if McCain has his way of packing the Supreme Court and overturning FLSA.
              Last edited by scfire86; 08-28-2008, 01:17 AM.
              They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

              I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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              • Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                And it's one of the reasons we didn't get a stimulus check that was done with more borrowed money that only puts this president at the top of deficit spenders.


                FYI. The impact McCain's putting me in SSI will be far greater than the impact of Obama's tax. And that doesn't include the impact if McCain has his way of packing the Supreme Court and overturning FLSA.
                Righttt.... And Obama will pack the courts with Muslims and overturn our religious freedoms...

                Problem my friend is that this country cannot afford Obama and his pie in the sky pipe dream.

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                • Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                  What difference does that make? I pay taxes and no one subsidizes me. Do they not benefit from doing business in this country?

                  Actually, if you get money back in the form of a refund you are getting the same thing as a subsidy. A subsidy is nothing more than some kind of a tax break to keep money in circulation.
                  So as long as you never claimed your children as deductions, or claimed any kind of business expense, etc... then you haven't received any tax subsidies.

                  Yes, they absolutely do benefit from the business they do in this country. The problem is though, if we tax them more they will turn the added cost over to us, just like every business does.

                  My only point was that in every debate on this topic people only point out the record profits they have made. These companies are also paying record taxes at the same time, and yet that never is mentioned.

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                  • With all the additional taxes that are heaped on big business it's not a wonder that they aren't all overseas.

                    I don't see a tax break as a bad thing for an industry that is so critical to our country and pays so much in taxes to begin with.
                    I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

                    "The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list."

                    "When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water."

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                    • Originally posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
                      Righttt.... And Obama will pack the courts with Muslims and overturn our religious freedoms...

                      Problem my friend is that this country cannot afford Obama and his pie in the sky pipe dream.
                      Wow. I'm not surprised at that remark. It goes right along with the rest of the right wing hate remarks you put forth.
                      They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

                      I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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                      • Originally posted by jasper45 View Post
                        My only point was that in every debate on this topic people only point out the record profits they have made. These companies are also paying record taxes at the same time, and yet that never is mentioned.
                        My point is that business always complains about high wages, but never about high profits. I believe that capitalism is the best system of change for progress, but it is quite capable of killing the goose that lays the golden egg.
                        They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

                        I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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                        • Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                          My point is that business always complains about high wages, but never about high profits. I believe that capitalism is the best system of change for progress, but it is quite capable of killing the goose that lays the golden egg.
                          But the best part about capitalism is that the competition that found a way to do it cheaper and better are usually the cause of the "goose's" death. This winds up being to the benefit of the consumer.

                          So they complain about high wages, but not about high profits. So what?

                          Don't we all do that? Is there anyone out there that admits to being paid too much? Pretty nonsensical argument.
                          I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

                          "The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list."

                          "When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water."

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                          • Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                            Wow. I'm not surprised at that remark. It goes right along with the rest of the right wing hate remarks you put forth.
                            That is Sarcasm chucklehead. You really need to stop listening to the democratic leadership who play on the fears of the people. I listened to part of the convention, I wanted to hear what Obama had to say. Instead I got Richardson speaking in spanish. Someone needs to tell him this is America nad we speak English here, it is a requirement of citizenship. This isn't Spain, it isn't Cuba, It isn't Latin America, it is simply America.

                            They followed that up with Al Gore and his lies about big business, polluters, and the fairy tale of Anthropogenic Global Warming. Talk about an angry man with blinders on.

                            Then they paraded out a bunch of Generals as if to say the military is behind them. In any group of people I will be able to find some who support both political parties. Might be a couple of exceptions.

                            But the real kicker was the alleged truck driver from Detroit. I know a lot of truck drivers and I have interacted with a number of them in my life. This guy they put on display was a professional speaker. He went out in front of 70,000 people and rambled on like he was in the local bar. He was well spoken and not the least bit nervous. He didn't come across as a truck driver to me. They followed that with some teacher who also started spewing out spainish as well. By then it was 9:30, Barrack was supposed to speak at 10:00. It was getting too late to watch for those of us who work, but then again, democrats don't care about the working class
                            Last edited by ScareCrow57; 08-29-2008, 08:17 AM.

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                            • Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
                              But the best part about capitalism is that the competition that found a way to do it cheaper and better are usually the cause of the "goose's" death. This winds up being to the benefit of the consumer.

                              So they complain about high wages, but not about high profits. So what?

                              Don't we all do that? Is there anyone out there that admits to being paid too much? Pretty nonsensical argument.
                              Bill Gates and Donald Trump come to mind. And I don't think they complain about it either. But it isn't just the high wages. You also need to include the environmental regulations, safety regulations, EEO stuff, as well as other anti-business mandates. The real killer was this thing called NAFTA. It was first put on the table by Bush Sr. and Clinton put it in place. That little agreement has hurt the American worker and the American economy in the worst way. We are just now feeling the true effects of NAFTA.

                              What some people don't seem to get is that big business isn't like big government. Business needs to make a profit, the government simply prints more money.

                              FYI, if anyone out there is making too much money I can use a little help here. Heck just pay my taxes and I'm good. Imagine not losing 1/2 your pay check for a year or so.

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                              • Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
                                So they complain about high wages, but not about high profits. So what?
                                Because in order for the people doing the work to be able to buy things they need to be paid a wage that will allow them to do just that.

                                If very few people are making a lot of money, and many people are making very little money, the ability to purchase goods and services is diminshed. It's how an economy works.
                                They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

                                I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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