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  • Tomcat1066
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    Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
    I never said to not explore alternative means, explore all you want! However, RIGHT NOW, we need oil and we need gasoline. There is no expectation that this will change anytime soon.
    I gotta agree with you here Chief. Viable alternative fuel sources are, at least, a decade off from what I recall. While I'd love to go straight to alternative fuel sources right now, they just aren't ready for prime time. In the mean time, we need more oil now!

    FWIW, I don't like the idea of off shore drilling or drilling in wildlife preserves, but we need the fuel now. Just kick alternative fuel developement into overdrive and make it so we can cap the wells for the next thousand years early and move on.

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  • ChiefKN
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    Originally posted by DaSharkie View Post
    He has probably learned from you. Since you do not answer questions proposed to you.
    Correct, i've adopted the hit and run posting technique.

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  • ChiefKN
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    Originally posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    Riiiiight...just drill here, there and everywhere, and watch those prices at the pump fall. Why, we should just drill a hole every ten feet all over every wildlife refuge in the world. Screw the animals and the environment. Exxon still hasn't paid for the 1989 Valdez incident that is still poisoning the land and ocean...and that's not even close to the size of numerous other spills. I'll bet those compassionate oil companies will have the price of gasoline back down to 65 cents a gallon in no time! Hell, let's just pay for it ourselves...to hell with the "free market" you guys rant about all the time. Let's just give them billions of our taxpayer dollars so they can continue to get filthy rich raping the earth for a buck. No need for regulation...these guys always have the best interests of the little guy at heart! I mean, Exxon Mobile only raked in a mere 15 billion this quarter. Surely we can help out these struggling companies a little, right? I mean, why invest one thin dime in alternative energy sources; the oil will last forever!

    If you think the price-fixing son of a bitches that run the oil companies are going to lower their prices after we pay through the nose for them to drill all those holes you want, you're crazier than I thought you were.

    Wow, did they shortchange you at the gas station this morning or what?

    I never said to not explore alternative means, explore all you want! However, RIGHT NOW, we need oil and we need gasoline. There is no expectation that this will change anytime soon.

    In addition, the only people you and your libbie tree-hugging friends are hurting are the working class of this country who will have to make some TOUGH decisions this winter. This is why the democrats (except the out of touch Pelosi) are now backpedaling furiously on the off-shore drilling issue.

    How would you rein in these heartless robber baron oil companies?

    I do like the idea of controlling the speculation on oil. Change it to match speculation of other commodities where the speculators must have the capital up front to participate. I read an article that said just doing this would drop the price per gallon by half.
    Last edited by ChiefKN; 08-06-2008, 12:46 PM.

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  • DennisTheMenace
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    Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    I'm not sure exactly what you mean by renewable energy sources. But I would 100% agree that we should be looking towards an expansion of wind power (Oh wait, the Dems don't like that), nuclear power (Oh wait, the Dems don't like that), clean coal power (Oh wait, the Dems don't like that), solar power (I think they might be OK with that) and natural gas, especially in vehicles (Oh wait, the Dems don't like that).

    Bio fuels and ethanol are not going to cut it. People are really not going to stand much longer for a fuel source that is interrupting the food supply and raising havoc with prices.
    When they realize how much "open space" is required for any reasonable amount of solar electric generation with today's technology, they will be opposed to that too.

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  • ChiefKN
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    Originally posted by jsin925 View Post
    please watch the videos then form your opinion.
    This makes no sense. So, if I take a video of me giving you my opinion, would you consider that gospel?

    Because you sure are buying into this horsehockey.

    Read the law.

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  • GeorgeWendtCFI
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    Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
    I would go one step further and start developing renewal energy sources. One of the few things I did like about the Carter Administration was his vision of putting that effort in place. Most likely he was motivated by having endured two manufactured oil shortages during the 70's.

    It was abandoned when Reagan took office (with a Dem congress) and I believe we are dealing with the ramifications of that decision now.
    I'm not sure exactly what you mean by renewable energy sources. But I would 100% agree that we should be looking towards an expansion of wind power (Oh wait, the Dems don't like that), nuclear power (Oh wait, the Dems don't like that), clean coal power (Oh wait, the Dems don't like that), solar power (I think they might be OK with that) and natural gas, especially in vehicles (Oh wait, the Dems don't like that).

    Bio fuels and ethanol are not going to cut it. People are really not going to stand much longer for a fuel source that is interrupting the food supply and raising havoc with prices.

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  • scfire86
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    Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    The best way for us to deal with the OPEC issue is to utilize the resources we are sitting on and then have a National Day of Celebration. We can call it the "Kiss My *** OPEC Day".
    I would go one step further and start developing renewal energy sources. One of the few things I did like about the Carter Administration was his vision of putting that effort in place. Most likely he was motivated by having endured two manufactured oil shortages during the 70's.

    It was abandoned when Reagan took office (with a Dem congress) and I believe we are dealing with the ramifications of that decision now.

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  • scfire86
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    Originally posted by Raughammer1 View Post
    “Capitalism is the greatest system ever created for alleviating general human misery, and yet it breeds ingratitude. People ask, ‘Why is there poverty in the world?’ It’s a silly question. Poverty is the default human condition... The interesting question isn’t ‘Why is there poverty?’ It’s ‘Why is there wealth?’ Or: ‘Why is there prosperity here but not there?’ At the end of the day, the first answer is capitalism, rightly understood. That is to say: free markets, private property, the spirit of entrepreneurialism and the conviction that the fruits of your labors are your own... In large measure our wealth isn’t the product of capitalism, it is capitalism. And yet we hate it. Leaving religion out of it, no idea has given more to humanity. The average working-class person today is richer, in real terms, than the average prince or potentate of 300 years ago. His food is better, his life longer, his health better, his menu of entertainments vastly more diverse, his toilette infinitely more civilized. And yet we constantly hear how cruel capitalism is while this collectivism or that is more loving because, unlike capitalism, collectivism is about the group, not the individual... Meanwhile, billions have ridden capitalism out of poverty. And yet the children of capitalism still whine.” —Jonah Goldberg
    And a lot of that is due via things like the Sherman Anti Trust Act, Pure Food and Drug Act, and Fail Labor Standards Act. You know.....government. The business community fought tough and nail against the abolition of child labor and has continually fought against issues regarding workplace safety. Both of those are in place and the world hasn't come to an end.

    Capitalism is a great engine of progress and its own worst enemy. It’s so good at pulling money out of the goose that lays the golden egg that it’ll eventually destroy it. The current financial mess is a good example. Oil companies making these levels of profit while the rest of the economy founders ( and indeed where those profits and the prices that create them are a major contributor to the foundering), is not just supply and demand doing its Godlike Adam Smith work. It’s exploitation of the highest order. The good of the larger society demands that the problem be at least examined, if not corrective action of some sort (and note that I don’t claim to be bright enough to know what that action might be). I just know that when I’m being screwed over,whether by governmental overreaching or by corporate greed, I have options in a free society to do something other than accept my fate.
    Last edited by scfire86; 08-06-2008, 10:20 AM.

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  • GeorgeWendtCFI
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    Originally posted by voyager9 View Post
    Its not just the Oil Companies. OPEC will most assuredly raise their price (or lower their output) to account for any new supply and the price at the pump will stay relatively the same.

    Also note that here pump prices have fallen 30-40 cents/gallon in the last week or so based purely on the debate on drilling and possible weather in the Gulf. If that's not a sign that speculation is a large part of the price, I don't know what is.
    The fall in oil prices can be directly attributed to the date when Pres. Bush announced he was lifting the ban on off shore drilling. Prices started their freefall the next day. It was not a coincidence.

    The best way for us to deal with the OPEC issue is to utilize the resources we are sitting on and then have a National Day of Celebration. We can call it the "Kiss My *** OPEC Day".

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  • voyager9
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    Originally posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    If you think the price-fixing son of a bitches that run the oil companies are going to lower their prices after we pay through the nose for them to drill all those holes you want, you're crazier than I thought you were.
    Its not just the Oil Companies. OPEC will most assuredly raise their price (or lower their output) to account for any new supply and the price at the pump will stay relatively the same.

    Also note that here pump prices have fallen 30-40 cents/gallon in the last week or so based purely on the debate on drilling and possible weather in the Gulf. If that's not a sign that speculation is a large part of the price, I don't know what is.

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  • Tomcat1066
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    Originally posted by DaSharkie View Post
    Careful Tomcat - there are those on these boards and in politics who do not want to hear that you can/did something to overcome adversity without the government helping.

    It is not good for their agenda.

    I posted my experiences before - somewhat similar - and was belittled by tow people on here for being able to rise from being poor to being considered "rich" by the IRS.

    How dare people better themselves. HOW DARE THEY!
    Yeah, I know people like that as well.

    I really couldn't give less of a ***** what folks like that tend to think

    I did it, I'm proud of it, and I refuse to accept that others can't do as well or better than I did. Frankly, they could probably do better than me if they want it. It isn't that hard.

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  • DaSharkie
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    Originally posted by Tomcat1066 View Post
    In my mere 34 years of life, I've ridden the economic rollercoaster more than many people twice my age.

    I was raised in a typical middle class life. My father was a cop, my mom a book keeper. I didn't have everything I wanted, but I had enough. My needs were always met, and some of my wants, so I really have no room to complain about my childhood.

    As an adult however, I became the type of person people don't speak well of. I was never a criminal, but I didn't want to work. My wife enabled me to do that, but it was still my fault. We were dirt poor. Family members brought us groceries so we wouldn't starve. I can never repay those family members, because it was my fault we were there.

    When my son was born however, I woke up. I stepped up and realized it was past time to be a man and take care of business. I got my butt to work. It wasn't much, just temp jobs mostly, but it paid the bills. I kept working hard, and moving forward. While I had spans where there was no income, it wasn't for lack of trying. I'll admit it too, it was frustrating during those times.

    That hard work paid off. Today, I make more than both of my parents. I'm not particularly educated either. I've got some college, but no degree. I did this on pure hard work and doing a good job. Nothing more, nothing less.

    To say that people can't get ahead in a free market economy is pure BS. No, I'm not a millioniare, but that was never my goal. My goal is to support my family, pay my bills, and be able to have a little fun now and then. If my slacker butt was able to get into a better life, then anyone can.

    It has nothing to do with race, religion, gender, blood type, or anything else. It has to do with pure force of will. If you want it badly enough, you will achieve it. Period.
    Careful Tomcat - there are those on these boards and in politics who do not want to hear that you can/did something to overcome adversity without the government helping.

    It is not good for their agenda.

    I posted my experiences before - somewhat similar - and was belittled by tow people on here for being able to rise from being poor to being considered "rich" by the IRS.

    How dare people better themselves. HOW DARE THEY!

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  • DaSharkie
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    Originally posted by jsin925 View Post
    hey, i don't like obama, nor do i like mccain. i'm just calling it like i see it. between those two, i don't care who wins. nothing will change. the rich will get richer, and the poor will get poorer. both parties suck.
    You are right, both parties stink.

    As for the rich getting richer, it is (partially) because they want to.

    I grew up poor. Now I am considered "rich" apparently according to the IRS. Please go through my finances and tell me where?

    The poor can get "rich" through the same methods others have. Hard work, education, drive, and patience. It is possible. Millions have done it in this nation since its founding.

    But to use scfire's point, please tell me where there is a higher standard of living?

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  • DaSharkie
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    Originally posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    Wow! Way to completely avoid the issue and my question. Good job!
    He has probably learned from you. Since you do not answer questions proposed to you.

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  • DaSharkie
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    [QUOTE=jsin925;975454]my pops worked for the irs and he would tell me that the rich don't pay their fair share of taxes.

    Really? I guess that the top 1% of taxpayers paying half of all personal income taxes collected is not enough? How much (dare I ask) is? Please enlighten me.

    http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/indtaxst...=96981,00.html

    http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html

    Considering that I make what equates to being the top 10% on my own (not including my wife's income) I would love for you, scfire, and Noz to tell me how much more I should fork out to the government?

    As it has been said by many before, we do not have a taxation problem, we have a spending problem in this nation.

    Originally posted by jsin925 View Post
    congress would always change the tax laws when the middle class would start to benefit from them. i guess at one point one could write off the interest one paid on credit cards, but when the middle class started obtaining credit cards that law flew off the books.
    Actually, no need to declare your credit card interest. It is no different than any other loan - since that is exactly what a credit card is - that you are given. Pay off your debts and save a ton more money instead of carrying a debt burden, harming yourself financially, and have more money to spend.

    And there is more to it than that. I claim what is allowed by law, and since I paid just shy of $10,000 in student loan interest in 2007, I got a whopping deal on my taxes let me tell you. I got a whopping $2,500 in credit for my $10,000 out of pocket in interest alone.

    Originally posted by jsin925 View Post
    the middle class (in my opinion) has a greater sense of dignity, morality and fidelity than the rich.
    Careful now, most of the members of Congress (now a majority Democrat) are multimillionaires.......Don't insult your Liberal friends. Because as liberals have made known - Democrats and Liberals have never, do no, and will never do any wrong.

    And what exactly qualifies one as rich? How much do I have to make before I am considered "rich?" I do want to know, because I have never - and I do mean NEVER - heard any politician or person on the left (who all hate anyone with any financial resources) tell me who is really considered "rich."

    Originally posted by jsin925 View Post
    the privatization of things is bad though.
    So the government should run hospitals? The government should run drug stores? Restaurants? Stores? Car manufacturers? Since privatization is bad, please explain to me how our nation operates?

    Originally posted by jsin925 View Post
    at least things in the public sector are accountable to the public.
    Excuse me while I bust a gut.

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