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  • ScareCrow57
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    Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
    Maybe it is in your little world. The real world is different. CA is one of the top ten economies in the world based upon its GSP. DE is a fly speck by comparison. Believe what you want, but you're alone in believing that DE is a more significant force in the US economy than CA. And btw. The most significant economic engine in CA is tourism and agriculture.
    Help me out, do you really mean GSP and not GDP? If so, what is GSP because I can find it anywhere in this context. NY is also heavy agriculture and tourism. Unfortunately, tourism relies on people having disposable income. As the government takes more of that disposable income tourism drops. It also hurts the agriculture. Instead of buying the expensive wine people but the cheap wine. Instead of real maple syrup they buy imitation. However, to accurately measure how well an economy does one must normalize the data. For instance A household of 10 people earning $200,000 is not as good as a household of 2 earning $100,000.


    Can you point me to a nation where the rate of taxation is lower and the quality of living is higher. If it has as lax an emigration policy as the US I'll pack my bags. I've traveled abroad to several nations where taxes are much lower than they are here in the US. I can assure you wouldn't want to live in any of them.
    Personally, I don't care about any other country. I only care about my country and what they are doing to me.

    Hypothetical. Who knows. There are numerous examples of the private sector mismanaging its fiscal resources. They're called bankruptcies.
    Governments are worse, they don't have bankruptcies, they have deficits. And I can sho3w huge examples of governments mis-managing their money. Unfortunately, they get away with it by raising more taxes.

    You posit a reality in which money belongs to the people who earn it. A fair concept. Likewise, however, the people’s government belongs to them, and they to it. Part of the social compact of belonging to a civil society is assisting in the upkeep of that society. You call that theft by taxation; I take a less nihilistic attitude toward it: it’s the price of being part of this society.

    Now, we can debate all we want about the proper role and extent of that government that we’ve established among ourselves, but our essential civic obligation to fund whatever we collectively deem a proper role for government is, or ought to be, unquestioned. It is, indeed, a form of patriotism. There’s a reason our system has such a low rate of tax delinquency compared to most of the rest of the world, and it’s not some inherent moral superiority. It’s a fundamental support and consent of the governed, which has been the unique hallmark of American society from its founding.
    There is nothing wrong with supporting basic government operations. Unfortunately, our current status has a lot of extra baggage. We pay for the health care of illegal aliens. And if we are going to do that, then why not pay for the health care of everyone in the world. Our social programs are out of control. I have no problem helping someone who is down on their luck. But we have created a system where by it is passed down from generation to generation. Millions of people in this country accept it as a way of life.

    We have a world class military. We don't need it. Clinton got that half right, if only he had finished the job. We do not need to be the worlds military. We had no business going into the former Yugoslav republic, Bosnia, Kosovo, and to some extent Iraq. We went to Kuwait as they asked for help. I'm good with that. And as part of the surrender Saddam agreed to certain conditions, which he did not stick too. Talk wasn't working. Oil for food flopped miserably. We had to do something. Removing Saddam was the right thing to do. Once that was done we leave. Let them fight their own battles.

    As for the delinquent taxes. The reason we have a low rate is the IRS just takes all of your stuff. In my personal situation I had a time where I became unemployed and need to survive. I took my 401k rather than run top the local welfare office. In retrospect, I should have ran to the welfare office. They raped me with taxes, followed by penalties and interest. Tried to do the right thing and got screwed for it. And now I'm back on my feet, but can't get ahead, because they take 43% of my check. And I'm sorry, but when half of the work I do goes to support the government I think we have a problem. That means that half I support the notion of a communist system, that in which you have no freedom and the government provides for you.

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  • jsin925
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    Originally posted by jasper45 View Post
    What US citizens have been arrested? Which US citizens have been ripped from their homes by the government?
    well, jose padilla wasn't ripped from his home but he was held without charges, and tortured. we would never know who was ripped away from their home because the government doesn't have to acknowledge having anyone.

    the war on terror is like the war on drugs, unwinnable. terrorism is a tactic, and one can't have a war against a tactic. it's kind of like saying a war on shock and awe.

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  • jsin925
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    Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Alright my friend, I watched. It's 8 minutes of my life I want back.

    She is misrepresenting the law, plain and simple. It actually makes me mad that she uses her RN credentials to do this.

    But let's go with it... lets say big brother was warehousing DNA.

    Why? What would they gain ? What black helicopter conspiracy are you all suggesting?

    Now, let's talk of the gains... the research into better, more accurate screening...

    The diseases that are not routinely caught upon screening now, may be caught in the future.

    Do you know that hospitals are currently warehousing your private medical information?

    Sorry, this is alarmist conspiracy nutjob stuff.
    thanks for watching, and your opinion. i still don't trust it. by the way, i was really digging the word horsehockey. that's a new one for me.

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  • scfire86
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    Originally posted by Raughammer1 View Post
    It is a day to day struggle, right now Obama is falling and McCain is rising. Some polls actually (Rasmussen) have McCain ahead.

    Life is good.
    Maybe. CBS shows Obama ahead by 14 points and holding off McCain.

    Dare to dream my friend.

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  • jasper45
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    Originally posted by Dave1983 View Post
    Just what I thought, you really haven't been paying attention. Let me lend a hand...

    Hardly, I've been paying attention. That's why I responded to your post.


    Now, what were you saying about our rights being just fine?
    What US citizens have been arrested? Which US citizens have been ripped from their homes by the government?

    Give us a good alternate solution in preventing terror attacks on our soil, and keeping people alive to enjoy their rights, then.
    The FBI is not acting on anything other than terror related issues, with the "wiretapping". I guess you would feel better letting a few terror attacks "slip" thru then. They're not "spying" on us, they are acting on legit terror threats. They're not even acting on common criminal acts that they uncover.


    I'm sure it would be a great comfort for a slain persons family to know that we were able to prevent an attack, but chose not to, because that is what we would be doing.

    Innocent until proven guilty? Come on, we're not talking about crime, were talking about warfare. We're talking about people who are not US citizens who have taken up arms against the United States. We're talking about people who are combating the United States and who have a goal of toppling us as a nation. These are not common criminals, and you know that.

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  • ChiefKN
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    Originally posted by jsin925 View Post
    come on. just watch one and tell me what you think. they're not long.
    Alright my friend, I watched. It's 8 minutes of my life I want back.

    She is misrepresenting the law, plain and simple. It actually makes me mad that she uses her RN credentials to do this.

    But let's go with it... lets say big brother was warehousing DNA.

    Why? What would they gain ? What black helicopter conspiracy are you all suggesting?

    Now, let's talk of the gains... the research into better, more accurate screening...

    The diseases that are not routinely caught upon screening now, may be caught in the future.

    Do you know that hospitals are currently warehousing your private medical information?

    Sorry, this is alarmist conspiracy nutjob stuff.

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  • Dave1983
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    Originally posted by 1835Wayne View Post
    Well Dave, I am not talking about the current adminstration. I am as appaled at some of the things they have done as you are. I am talking about what just happened. I am discussing THAT issue, not everything else under the sun.

    I disdain a good bit of the "Patriot" act. I also disdain the actions of Nancy Pelosi. Do you have anything to say about her??

    I can not call what she has done an "adjournment". It was a hijacking.
    I agree, she was wrong.

    But what got me was all these people are screaming about rights now? What about all these other things? Where was the outrage before? Or was it OK then because it was a Republican administration doing it?

    I guess I should mention I'm neither Rep or Dem. Both of these parties have made a mockery of the Constitution whenever it fits their particular agenda.

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  • Dave1983
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    Originally posted by jasper45 View Post
    Hardly mindless.
    Where are all of the people being detained without just cause? Are you talking about Guantanamo Bay? You mean people who have taken up arms against the United States? People who want to kill us for being different than they are? You mean those people who are not even US citizens?

    Where are all of the cases of peoples civil rights being violated?
    You want to talk about the "morality police", what about all of the legislation out there dictating what can happen in private business, like what kind of oil they can fry food in, or whether smoking can be allowed or not on it's premises, or how they promote "safe haven cities" that defy Federal laws, which in turn endangers all of us.

    Your constitutional rights are just fine, let's just make sure we're able to stay alive and enjoy them.
    Just what I thought, you really haven't been paying attention. Let me lend a hand...

    When you have some free time, do a little search on a thing called the Patriot Act.

    When you get bored with that, check out 18 U.S.C. 2257.

    The jist of this little gem is the US DOJ (at the direction of GWB's hired gun, Alberto Gonzales) has decided that in certain situations, you have to prove that your not doing anything wrong, the government assumes you are.

    And yes, thats exactly the opposite of what is written in the constitution. You know, the whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing.

    And these are just two examples that popped in my head at the moment.

    Now, what were you saying about our rights being just fine?

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  • jsin925
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    Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
    So, you believe in this statement.

    From each according to his ability, to each according to his need

    Right?
    sounds good, but i like do unto others as you would have them do unto you, better. also, judge not lest ye be judged, but my all time favorite is people in hell want ice water (which is what my mother used to say to me a lot).

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  • jsin925
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    Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
    No and I feel no need to. Again, these magical videos are just someone else's ramblings or opinions.

    The law is in black and white and written in english.

    come on. just watch one and tell me what you think. they're not long.

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  • scfire86
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    Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
    So, you believe in this statement.

    From each according to his ability, to each according to his need

    Right?
    No more so than I believe in the statement:

    "All men are created equal."

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  • ChiefKN
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    Originally posted by jsin925 View Post
    people do want to be rewarded for good work, but the free market produces an uneven playing field.
    So, you believe in this statement.

    From each according to his ability, to each according to his need

    Right?

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  • ChiefKN
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    Originally posted by jsin925 View Post
    i've read the law. have you watched the videos?
    No and I feel no need to. Again, these magical videos are just someone else's ramblings or opinions.

    The law is in black and white and written in english.

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  • jsin925
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    Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
    This makes no sense. So, if I take a video of me giving you my opinion, would you consider that gospel?

    Because you sure are buying into this horsehockey.

    Read the law.
    i've read the law. have you watched the videos?

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  • jsin925
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    Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    How about answering the question so we can judge the validity of your complaint? (I'll bet he doesn't answer).
    i never asked you all to judge me, nor are you all in a position to judge me. your judgements hold no validity with me, and i'm not playing your gotcha game, as bush would say.

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