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  • #31
    Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
    No one seems to care the 4th or 5th Ammendment has been demolished. But listen to the cries of outrage if someone wants to ban a firearm that has no sporting purpose.
    Give me an example of a firearm that has no sporting purpose. I can't wait to debunk this ridiculous statement.
    Crazy, but that's how it goes
    Millions of people living as foes
    Maybe it's not too late
    To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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    • #32
      Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
      Give me an example of a firearm that has no sporting purpose. I can't wait to debunk this ridiculous statement.
      .50 cal M2 HB.
      They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

      I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
        Facts were introduced. Congress had officially recessed. That is the authority granted the Speaker.
        No, officially, recess had not begun. Voices from BOTH sides of the aisle were demanding an electronic vote on whether to approve the motion to adjourn. Why was Nancy so afraid to allow it to continue? Why did she cut off the microphones and cameras? Why were the lights turned out? And, lastly, why were the reporters not only thrown out of the gallery, but out of the building entirely? What was she afraid of?

        Or did she have to leave immediately to start her vacation, because she would lose time due to that pesky that fuel stop (because she was denied that 767 she wanted so that she could fly back home non-stop?)

        Just how much ARE the greenies paying her to fook the american people?
        "Loyalty Above all Else. Except Honor."

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        • #34
          Have you been paying any attention whatsoever to whats been happening to our "rights" since GWB and his morality police have been in charge? And I guess you also missed the fact that your government of the people, by the people and for the people can now spy on you and detain you without just cause.

          Talk about mindless...

          Hardly mindless.
          Where are all of the people being detained without just cause? Are you talking about Guantanamo Bay? You mean people who have taken up arms against the United States? People who want to kill us for being different than they are? You mean those people who are not even US citizens?

          Where are all of the cases of peoples civil rights being violated?
          You want to talk about the "morality police", what about all of the legislation out there dictating what can happen in private business, like what kind of oil they can fry food in, or whether smoking can be allowed or not on it's premises, or how they promote "safe haven cities" that defy Federal laws, which in turn endangers all of us.

          Your constitutional rights are just fine, let's just make sure we're able to stay alive and enjoy them.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
            As I've stated in the past, the oil companies are demanding significant subsidies to start drilling. It could be argued the high price of gas plays into their hands as well. They continue to receive record profits while stating their inability to drill because of enviro concerns and therefore enabling the political pressure on congress to get them the subsidies they demand.
            And why shouldnt they get SOME subsidies? After all, they explore for the crude, extract it, transport it, refine it, and transport the finished product to the delivery points, and only make 8 cents per gallon!

            What does the Gov't do? Nothing! Nadda! Zip! And they make 18 cents per gallon! So why shouldnt the oil companies get some kind of subsidies, after all, if and when they do get to drill, they are probably going to have to do so with all kinds of restrictions established by Nancy and her communist buddy Reid and all the other enviro-wacko greeny idiots.
            "Loyalty Above all Else. Except Honor."

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            • #36
              Originally posted by FWDbuff View Post
              And why shouldnt they get SOME subsidies? After all, they explore for the crude, extract it, transport it, refine it, and transport the finished product to the delivery points, and only make 8 cents per gallon!

              They also assume all of the risk of exploration. Just because there is evidence that oil exists down below, that doesn't guarantee they will be able to recover it. They may very well drill and not get oil, it isn't a perfect science.

              Subsidies are also part of keeping companies local. If we don't give them the tax-breaks, they will go where those breaks exist, along with the jobs and money generated with them. It's happening on a daily basis here, we can't even keep long-time companies who helped to create this city.
              They won't be given their "corporate welfare", and a host of people will benefit by being unemployed.

              It is funny though, lefties oppose corporate tax-breaks, and often call it "corporate welfare", yet have no issue offering tax-breaks and lucrative tax-laws to help the movie industry.
              I've seen it happen here as well as several other states.
              Kinda makes you wonder ...

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              • #37
                Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                .50 cal M2 HB.
                Okay, first of all this is a fully automatic weapon and thus has special restrictions placed on it. Such as the need for an FFL Class 3 license and the approval of loccal or state law enforcement. The licensing is so strict and so regulated that the vast majority of "average" citizens can't possibly hope of owning one.

                Now beyond that, if a person desires to own one of these and is legally allowed to, and engages in the legal use of it at things like full auto shoots in areas where this is permitted why isn't that a sporting use? Please give me one example, just one, of a legally owned and registered fully automatic weapon being used in the commission of a crime. I only know of one anectdotally and it was committed by a law enforcement officer.

                The problem is a failure to understand the hobby of shooting. If a fire arm, regardless of its design and firing operation, is used in a legal manner by a person legally allowed to posess and use it, what is the problem? I enjoy the shooting sports, mostly target shooting or plinking with my sons and girlfriend. I break no laws, make sure where I am shooting is safe, and practice safe shooting. My boys know very well how strict I am and they know the consequences of violating any of my safety rules.

                The public has no ability in the vast majority of cases to differentiate between a semi-automatic weapon and a full automatic weapon and the press and politicians looking to make a name for themselves are no better. Full auto, load the weapon, **** the weapon, pull the trigger and it keeps firing until you release the trigger or run out of ammunition. Semi auto, load the weapon, **** the weapon, pull the trigger, relaease and pull again, it will only fire with each sucessive trigger pull. It has nothing at all to do with what the weapon looks like, how many bullets the magazine carries or any political clap trap. It is purely mechanical.

                Frankly, if I had the money and the time I would explore getting a Thompson sub machine gun simply because of sentimental value. My Dad carried a Thompson in WWII and loved it. Just having it does not make me a criminal IF I followed the law to get it. Shooting it would be fun beyond belief.

                I know you will shred this because it is usually your way or no way. But I will not surrender my gun rights to you OR anyone else.
                Crazy, but that's how it goes
                Millions of people living as foes
                Maybe it's not too late
                To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by ThNozzleman View Post
                  The Bush policies over the last seven years have led directly to the situation we're in now, along with a Republican controlled congress. Big Oil has been raping us at taxpayer expense for years, with little or no oversight.
                  Yes, Americans only started driving gas guzzling SUVs in the last 7 years, before Bush took office they weren't even invented yet.

                  And before Bush took office people always lived within walking distance of their jobs and extended family. Massive urban sprawl in American didn't even start until February of 2001. Before then 99% of Americans were still living in Mill Villages.

                  And yes, it was Bush's lack of oversight into how much money the OIL companies are allowed to make per gallon of gas that has led to this. We should take over the oil companies and have our politicians run them, and dictate they should only make enough money per gallon of gas to pay employees was they need to live, and only pay investors the same return on investment they would have received by buying Government Saving Bonds.

                  From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.
                  Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
                  I am probably the most conservative one on here.
                  Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                  Are you willing to pay billions of subsidies to the oil companies to drill in ANWR? Because that is what they want before they start drilling. Somehow that inconvenient fact is never mentioned by the conservatives who got their thongs in a twist.
                  Open it up to highest bidder and watch how quickly a line forms.
                  Originally posted by ThNozzleman View Post
                  Man, this one just never gets old, does it?
                  What's the date on that?
                  My Capt at work tells of driving off from pumps because gas was too high, at 69¢ a gallon. You're making fun of a politician who failed to have an accurate crystal ball. Who are you, Nostradamus?
                  Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                  .50 cal M2 HB.
                  You are clueless when it comes to firearms.
                  That is a machine gun, and they are not banned because they lack a sporting purpose. If you can find one that was legally registered with the ATF before May 19th, 1986, you can own it under Federal Law. "Sporting Purpose" has nothing to do with a 50 cal M2. If you knew anything about "Sporting Purpose" you'd know that it only applied to imported semi-automatics. Plus you'd know what president signed the first Executive Order "banning" said imports. Even Bill Clinton's ill fated "Assault Weapon Ban" had nothing to do with machine guns. The very text of the law specifically limited it restrictions to "semi-automatics".

                  I found 4 for sale in a matter of minutes.
                  1, 2, 3, 4.
                  Last edited by txgp17; 08-03-2008, 01:06 PM.
                  The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened. --Norman Mattoon Thomas, 6 time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
                    Okay, first of all this is a fully automatic weapon and thus has special restrictions placed on it. Such as the need for an FFL Class 3 license and the approval of loccal or state law enforcement. The licensing is so strict and so regulated that the vast majority of "average" citizens can't possibly hope of owning one.
                    The question was:

                    Give me an example of a firearm that has no sporting purpose. I can't wait to debunk this ridiculous statement.
                    It wasn't:

                    Give me an example of a firearm that is a fully automatic weapon and thus has special restrictions placed on it. Such as the need for an FFL Class 3 license and the approval of loccal or state law enforcement that has no sporting purpose. I can't wait to debunk this ridiculous statement.
                    Are you saying there are no gun enthusiasts who believe those restrictions should be lifted to enable a greater ease in ownership of a weapon of that nature?
                    They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

                    I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by jasper45 View Post
                      Hardly mindless.
                      Where are all of the people being detained without just cause? Are you talking about Guantanamo Bay? You mean people who have taken up arms against the United States? People who want to kill us for being different than they are? You mean those people who are not even US citizens?

                      Where are all of the cases of peoples civil rights being violated?
                      You want to talk about the "morality police", what about all of the legislation out there dictating what can happen in private business, like what kind of oil they can fry food in, or whether smoking can be allowed or not on it's premises, or how they promote "safe haven cities" that defy Federal laws, which in turn endangers all of us.

                      Your constitutional rights are just fine, let's just make sure we're able to stay alive and enjoy them.
                      I'm sure you'll be just as happy with the infringements of the 4th Ammendment (such as warrantless wiretapping) when a Dem is in the White House.
                      They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

                      I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by jasper45 View Post
                        They also assume all of the risk of exploration. Just because there is evidence that oil exists down below, that doesn't guarantee they will be able to recover it. They may very well drill and not get oil, it isn't a perfect science.

                        Subsidies are also part of keeping companies local. If we don't give them the tax-breaks, they will go where those breaks exist, along with the jobs and money generated with them. It's happening on a daily basis here, we can't even keep long-time companies who helped to create this city.
                        They won't be given their "corporate welfare", and a host of people will benefit by being unemployed.

                        It is funny though, lefties oppose corporate tax-breaks, and often call it "corporate welfare", yet have no issue offering tax-breaks and lucrative tax-laws to help the movie industry.
                        I've seen it happen here as well as several other states.
                        Kinda makes you wonder ...
                        What's even funnier is that righties always **** and moan on how their tax dollars are being spent on issues they don't like, but now it should be okay for my tax dollars to be spent on something I don't like.

                        Open it up to highest bidder and watch how quickly a line forms.
                        Secretary Horton did just that for years and none of the oil companies were willing to bite unless there were significant subsidies.
                        They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

                        I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by scfire86 View Post

                          Originally Posted by FyredUp

                          Okay, first of all this is a fully automatic weapon and thus has special restrictions placed on it. Such as the need for an FFL Class 3 license and the approval of loccal or state law enforcement. The licensing is so strict and so regulated that the vast majority of "average" citizens can't possibly hope of owning one.
                          The question was:


                          Give me an example of a firearm that has no sporting purpose. I can't wait to debunk this ridiculous statement.
                          The answer was, I did define a sporting use for the very gun you listed It didn't fit into your neat world of golf and tennis and perhaps croquet. The fact is there are people, gun enthusiasts, that do get together in family oriented settings to shoot their legally owned machine guns. Why does that frighten you so much? The answer to gun crime is to punish the criminals not the law abiding citizens.

                          It wasn't:


                          Give me an example of a firearm that is a fully automatic weapon and thus has special restrictions placed on it. Such as the need for an FFL Class 3 license and the approval of loccal or state law enforcement that has no sporting purpose. I can't wait to debunk this ridiculous statement.
                          Because it doesn't meet your narrow definition of what sporting is you seek to restrict it further and eliminate it. I don't particularly care for football and find Nascar boring as hell but I would not for the life of me tell someone because I do not partake in that activity, which as far as I know is entirely legal, that they can't do it if they wish. Shooting is a activity, or sport, that is enjoyed by countless numbers of individuals every day and is legal.


                          Are you saying there are no gun enthusiasts who believe those restrictions should be lifted to enable a greater ease in ownership of a weapon of that nature?

                          Are you saying there are no members of the liberal left that want to eliminate private citizen gun ownership entirely?
                          Fear, especially an irrational one, drives people to believe all kinds of things. Like taking guns away from law abiding citizens will reduce crime.

                          Nope, you want to drive me to action seriously start talking that way. I will be an NRA member the same day as well as a member of any state associations. Personally on many levels I find the NRA a bit too extreme for even me. So to drive me to join shows you my committment to my constitutional right to own firearms.
                          Last edited by FyredUp; 08-03-2008, 01:25 PM.
                          Crazy, but that's how it goes
                          Millions of people living as foes
                          Maybe it's not too late
                          To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                            .50 cal M2 HB.
                            Those can be used for the sporting purpose of hunting terrorist.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                              I'm sure you'll be just as happy with the infringements of the 4th Ammendment (such as warrantless wiretapping) when a Dem is in the White House.
                              I've nothing to hide. Go ahead. Look all you want. The ones who are afraid are the ones with something to hide.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by FWDbuff View Post
                                And why shouldnt they get SOME subsidies? After all, they explore for the crude, extract it, transport it, refine it, and transport the finished product to the delivery points, and only make 8 cents per gallon!

                                What does the Gov't do? Nothing! Nadda! Zip! And they make 18 cents per gallon! So why shouldnt the oil companies get some kind of subsidies, after all, if and when they do get to drill, they are probably going to have to do so with all kinds of restrictions established by Nancy and her communist buddy Reid and all the other enviro-wacko greeny idiots.
                                Actually in Congressional testimony the number was 2 cents a gallon. Between the state and federal government there is 80 cents a gallon in taxes. So ask, who is raping the American consumer. I laugh when someone complains about the oil company profits. The government makes 40 times that on the sale of fuel, plus they tax the profits.

                                Now, consider that many other countries subsidize their fuel. It helps to keep us competitive. Of course this country used to be the richest country in the world. And how did we get that way? It was private industry that gave us our wealth, not government. However, our government has succeeded in taxing our economy to the point that China is now #1.

                                Hopefully, our legislators will wake up and stop taxing us so much before it is too late.

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