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  • Originally posted by scfire86 View Post

    Here's a link claiming Believers are happier than Atheists.
    Its a U.K. website?

    Bummer, firewalled.
    01.20.13
    Change We Can Believe In.

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    • Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
      Originally Posted by Raughammer1 View Post
      SC, attack the facts, disprove the information... Attacking the source while ignoring the data comes across as a weak attempt at deflecting the seriousness of the allegations.
      I really don't have the time or inclination. I'll just do what conservatives do when confronted with similar writings they view coming from a liberal source. Dismiss it as being slanted and therefore unreliable
      I see, so just follow the liberal talking points blindly rather than educate yourself. Novel concept.

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      • Originally posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
        I see, so just follow the liberal talking points blindly rather than educate yourself. Novel concept.
        OH REALLY!!! Similar to the claims that lifting a ban offshore drilling for supplies that won't exist for at least a decade is impacting prices today?

        Priceless.
        They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

        I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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        • Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
          If you get to cite the WND as a legitimate source I get to start citing Democratic Underground.
          That's a stretch. DU is a discussion forum, just like this one. I'm not saying that WND isn't biased, but it is a legitimate news website.
          Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
          WND is the source of a video trying to make the claim that Obama is a muslim.
          Well, we know that he was a Muslim.
          The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened. --Norman Mattoon Thomas, 6 time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America

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          • Originally posted by txgp17 View Post
            Well, we know that he was a Muslim.
            I was a republican once as well. I ask that you don't hold it against me. When he was very young. He has embraced Christianity.

            What else should he do?

            You're one of the few that considers WorldNetDaily a legitimate news source.
            Last edited by scfire86; 08-17-2008, 04:56 PM.
            They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

            I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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            • Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
              OH REALLY!!! Similar to the claims that lifting a ban offshore drilling for supplies that won't exist for at least a decade is impacting prices today?

              Priceless.
              Those are the liberal talking points used by Pelosi and her merry band of henchmen. I assure you that given the opportunity the oil from off-shore drilling and ANWR would reach the market far faster than these feet dragging idiots predict. These aren't government workers that are putting these rigs in place, they are private corporations looking to make a profit.

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              • Originally posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
                Those are the liberal talking points used by Pelosi and her merry band of henchmen. I assure you that given the opportunity the oil from off-shore drilling and ANWR would reach the market far faster than these feet dragging idiots predict. These aren't government workers that are putting these rigs in place, they are private corporations looking to make a profit.
                I cited a report by the DOE. You cited your opinion. Unless you have something that will show us your expertise in oil exploration and extraction it is nothing more than conjecture.
                They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

                I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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                • Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                  I love an argument based on hypotheticals.

                  If the moratorium was lifted today, the DoE estimates that production would begin around 2017 and that full-scale extraction wouldn't occur until 2030, at which time the additional 200,000 bbl/day, would be an increase of approximately 7%.

                  Money quote from the DoE:
                  Because oil prices are determined on the international market, however, any impact on average wellhead prices is expected to be insignificant.
                  Sure, but it's all theoretical. Until we can explore, we won't know.

                  Some experts say there could be as many as 18 billion barrels in these prohibited areas.

                  As for the time range, even if it is 10 years (and that is also debatable) more the reason to start now.

                  Noone is saying it will help current prices, but we need to think long term as well.
                  I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

                  "The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list."

                  "When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water."

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                  • Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                    Thank you for that. However, in The Glenshaw Glass case (1955), the Supreme Court laid out what has become the modern understanding of what constitutes 'gross income' to which the Sixteenth Amendment applies, declaring that income taxes could be levied on "accessions to wealth, clearly realized, and over which the taxpayers have complete dominion." Under this definition, just about any increase in wealth is considered taxable.
                    Touche!

                    However, that does not address the wrongs cited in the original quote. It merely defines income (which was never really in question), not why it is not consitutional to tax it...good cite though. Look though the citation, it never mentions that is overthrows the last ruling by the SC...I know, clear as mud. Again...food for thought.

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                    • Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                      I cited a report by the DOE. You cited your opinion. Unless you have something that will show us your expertise in oil exploration and extraction it is nothing more than conjecture.
                      Lets analyze your source's forecasting a little more. While I won't question the facts presented by the DOE, their estimates leave much to be desired. Even their own short term estimates are sketchy. In August of 2007, the DOE, in it's Short-Term Energy Outlook predicted that oil prices would average $71.25 per barrel in 2008. I'd say they missed the mark, and that's just 12 months ago. How in the world are we to assume their long term forecasts are any better? This casts doubt on any statement or assumption based on the DOE's estimates and forecasts.

                      I don't disagree with your assertion that increased offshore drilling may take a decade to get going. The construction and transport of an oil platform is no small task. Bush's lifting of his father's directive is largely symbolic as an anti-drilling law dating back to 1981 is still in place. But this still shows our country's increased motivation to utilize domestic oil resources.

                      Oil prices are a result of thousands of transactions taking place simultaneously around the world, at all levels of the distribution chain from crude oil producer to individual consumer. Oil markets are essentially a global auction -- the highest bidder will win the supply. Oil prices can be unjustly inflated if a bidder war ensues during the auction.

                      One failure of your argument is that you've excluded the influence of speculators in the oil futures market. The left leaning CBS News reports they have doubled their market share of West Texas Crude since 2000. And they have unjustly influenced the market price, and even King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia had denounced their practices of bidding up the prices of oil.

                      Oil futures, or futures contracts, are an agreement to buy or sell a commodity at a specific date in the future at a specific price. If the price goes up, the buyer of the futures contract makes money, because he gets the product at the lower, agreed-upon price and can now sell it at the higher, market price. This had been a driving force behind the bidding wars taking place in the Oil futures market. Even the academically gifted Ben Stein writes that something fishy is going on, bordering on a conspiracy. This is no different than the bidding wars that take place over stocks that are traded above their mathematical value, despite showing a financial loss and not paying a dividend. Traders still buy it in the hope it will sell for a higher price.

                      Some more facts present by the DOE are:
                      Because the United States is the world's largest importer it is easy to forget that it:
                      -is the oldest major global oil producer;
                      -is formerly the Number 1 global oil producer (1972);
                      -is currently the Number 3 global oil producer;
                      -has produced more oil, cumulatively, than the current reserves of any country but Saudi Arabia.
                      And supporting the fact that the US is the worlds 3rd largest producer of oil: Link 1 & Link 2 & Link 3.

                      This establishes the fact that we're still a major player in the oil production market, and taking measures, even symbolic ones, to increase our production, puts the fear of God into those people who have staked their future profits on inflated oil prices brought on by previous scarcity of a commodity.

                      Clearly, the threat of allowing more drilling in America threatens the profit margins of oil speculators, causing a down turn in oil prices.
                      The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened. --Norman Mattoon Thomas, 6 time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America

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                      • Originally posted by Dave1983 View Post
                        Not trying to start a fight...but I'm curious as to what you base that on?
                        It's called satire. I expected some of the morons on here not to get it, but most people who have been on here awhile got it. I'm surprised you didn't.
                        PROUD, HONORED AND HUMBLED RECIPIENT OF THE PURPLE HYDRANT AWARD - 10/2007.

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                        • Originally posted by score View Post
                          OH REALLY!!! Similar to the claims that lifting a ban offshore drilling for supplies that won't exist for at least a decade is impacting prices today?

                          Priceless.
                          Actually it will. Don't you know that prices are set from speculation not from actual production??????

                          p.s. After reading further down, I see that txgp17 explains it much better than I did. So..........what he said
                          Last edited by THEFIRENUT; 08-18-2008, 04:15 AM. Reason: Addition
                          Just someone trying to help! (And by the way....Thanks for YOUR help!)

                          Aggressive does not have to equal stupid.

                          ** "The comments made here are this person's views and possibly that of the organizations to which I am affiliated" **

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                          • Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                            OH REALLY!!! Similar to the claims that lifting a ban offshore drilling for supplies that won't exist for at least a decade is impacting prices today?

                            Priceless.
                            More evidence that you do not understand the commodities market.
                            PROUD, HONORED AND HUMBLED RECIPIENT OF THE PURPLE HYDRANT AWARD - 10/2007.

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                            • Scarecrow; I don't know how much experience you have in the oil industry but if the US opened up the wildlife refuge right now for exploration and development, it would be well over a decade before that oil ever reached the first gas tank. I work for some of the worlds biggest oil companies including American and its simple logistics. Seismic licensing, implementation, gathering and interpretation, minimum 3 years. Actual issuing of exploration licenses, sourcing of drilling rigs and then actual drilling of exploartion wells, 5 to 7 years. Completion of sucessful wells, gathering systems, whether onshore or offshore, transportation, pipelines, FPSO's, tankers, probably another 6 to 8 years. Factor in environmental impact studies, native land claims, extreme weather conditions, worldwide shortage of experienced personnel as well as equipent suitable for working in the environment and you are probably looking at 2 decades for this oil to reach the market. Keep in mind, nobody can be positive that there are economically viable reserves there to develop. One thing I can guarantee is that the US taxpayer will be asked for massive subsidies to kick start and probably continue paying for any development. Best we start considering viable energy alternatives




                              Originally posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
                              Those are the liberal talking points used by Pelosi and her merry band of henchmen. I assure you that given the opportunity the oil from off-shore drilling and ANWR would reach the market far faster than these feet dragging idiots predict. These aren't government workers that are putting these rigs in place, they are private corporations looking to make a profit.

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                              • Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                                I cited a report by the DOE. You cited your opinion. Unless you have something that will show us your expertise in oil exploration and extraction it is nothing more than conjecture.
                                I'm sorry, I didn't see your reference. Could you please post it again.

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