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  • Originally posted by jsin925 View Post
    chavez was democratically elected. last election there were people there to make sure everything was on the up and up, and they declared that the election was kosher. he respected the votes of the people when they voted down his last referendum. what dictator does that?
    Are you really that naive? Do you not keep up with current events?

    http://www.usnews.com/usnews/opinion.../mb_040820.htm

    Chavez resisted the recall at every turn and used every dirty trick in the book, including granting citizenship to half a million illegal aliens and migrating people away from the polling places.

    As for Carter's review, he only visited the the main polling center and then left. There are many who questioned Carter's methods.

    After the referendum failed, Chavez's government then charged the group who pushed for the referendum with treason and conspiracy for receiving funds from the US that were used for voter education.

    He has gone out of his way to reverse any democratic trends. Please do a little reading on this guy. He's scum.


    Originally posted by jsin925 View Post
    i don't believe what the state dept says about him, considering the cia was in on the coup attempt in 2002, and continue to fund his opposition. he is no hitler or mussolini, but he may be a little like castro. he does give poor people here heating oil at a discounted rate. all a pr move, but he still does it.
    LOL, he's a peach.

    http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/...p_the_poor.php

    Great website from a native Venezualan

    http://vcrisis.com/index.php?content=home

    Originally posted by jsin925 View Post
    we violate human rights, extraordinary rendition for example, and we kill innocent people. we are no saints.
    Amnesty International report... you don't like your own country's state department, then how about this liberal group?

    http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/ame...nezuela#report


    Originally posted by jsin925 View Post
    i don't care about the single mother rate in norway. being a single mother isn't an evil to me.
    That sound was my point flying over your head. Did your Master's degree come with a free bowl of soup?
    I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

    "The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list."

    "When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water."

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    • Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
      Are you really that naive? Do you not keep up with current events?

      http://www.usnews.com/usnews/opinion.../mb_040820.htm

      Chavez resisted the recall at every turn and used every dirty trick in the book, including granting citizenship to half a million illegal aliens and migrating people away from the polling places.

      As for Carter's review, he only visited the the main polling center and then left. There are many who questioned Carter's methods.

      After the referendum failed, Chavez's government then charged the group who pushed for the referendum with treason and conspiracy for receiving funds from the US that were used for voter education.

      He has gone out of his way to reverse any democratic trends. Please do a little reading on this guy. He's scum.

      LOL, he's a peach.

      http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/...p_the_poor.php

      Great website from a native Venezualan

      http://vcrisis.com/index.php?content=home

      Amnesty International report... you don't like your own country's state department, then how about this liberal group?

      http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/ame...nezuela#report

      That sound was my point flying over your head. Did your Master's degree come with a free bowl of soup?
      here are articles to refute yours, but you'll dismiss them as nutball.

      http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle18836.htm

      http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle18727.htm

      http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle19762.htm

      http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle18838.htm

      i bet you won't read them because you are not open to information that doesn't fit your paradigm.

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      • Originally posted by jsin925 View Post
        our government is the corporations.
        Not hardly our government just happens to be a political entity whose leaders (of all parties) are all tied to businesses. are you anti-union?Nope and yes. I'm all for unions that desire to create a safer working enviroment and a liveable wage. I'm against any union that will steadfastly bleed a company dry. It is these unions who have caused many businesses to pack up and move oversees. i never said this country should become a socialist state. where did i say that?You have not said it outright but your thoughts have conveyed that message. i gave an example of fair trade coffee as a way that capitalism can work with fair market prices. the coffee roaster i spoke of is quite successful, and has done what it takes to succeed. they are the starbucks of my town. when i think free market i think nafta, cafta, etc. all in my opinion are bad programs. maybe i should be saying free trade instead. and for democrat haters nafta was bill clinton's plan. can't get mad at the gas prices then because that's the free market and capitalism. the government shouldn't intervene because that would be bad. why should bp, shell, mobile, etc, be fair to the consumer? they're raking in billion dollar profits, and that's what it takes to be successful, right?
        Know your terms fair trade and fair market are two different things. Free trade agreements are not fair trade agreements. The free trade agreements essientially means that their are no tariffs on products imported from the member countries. That's a bit simplistic but essientially true. Fair trade is no matter how you cut is socialistic economics.
        the majority of poor people are children. No ****. Children can't own property or work of course they are poor, they have no wealth. If you mean that kids are the most affected by poverty or it could mean that the poor people breed more than rich people. I've seen evidence of this as has many others the poorest sections of the city has households with the most children, why? Cause screwing is easier than getting a job or getting an education or otherwise bettering yourself. Stereotypical, probably but I don't care. Sugar coated howerever you want history proves me out. The lower classes have throughtout history bred more than the upper class.children are innocent.Innocent has nothing to do with it.

        i'm no christian, but i do believe that what you do to the least of my brethren you do unto me. but then again i guess jesus was more of a socialist.
        Nope not a socialist. A savior that required those who wanted to get to heaven to work through him. It takes personal responsibility and hard work to get there. Hmmm...hard work, personal responsibility, goals...nope doesn't have a thing to do with socialism.

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        • Originally posted by jasper45 View Post
          You have to cut me some slack though, my quarterback was just dealt to the Jets. My entire sports world has been turned upside down in the past several months.
          Thats certainly understandable. Especially since we all thought he was coming down here.
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          • Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
            Do you hear the black helicopters too?
            I'm sorry to hear you have your head buried in the sand as well.
            Last edited by Dave1983; 08-07-2008, 06:11 PM.
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            • Originally posted by jlcooke3 View Post
              Not hardly our government just happens to be a political entity whose leaders (of all parties) are all tied to businesses.
              so much so that some corporate lobbyist have actually written out some of our legislation.

              Originally posted by jlcooke3 View Post
              You have not said it outright but your thoughts have conveyed that message.
              if i haven't said it then i don't believe it. what i have said is that socialism has work for some. monarchy works for the saudis, but i'm not promoting that we install a king.

              Originally posted by jlcooke3 View Post
              Fair trade is no matter how you cut is socialistic economics.
              i disagree, unless starbucks is dabbling in socialist economics. they sell fair trade coffee. right now it is a niche market. supply and demand.

              Originally posted by jlcooke3 View Post
              No ****. Children can't own property or work of course they are poor, they have no wealth. If you mean that kids are the most affected by poverty or it could mean that the poor people breed more than rich people. I've seen evidence of this as has many others the poorest sections of the city has households with the most children, why? Cause screwing is easier than getting a job or getting an education or otherwise bettering yourself. Stereotypical, probably but I don't care. Sugar coated howerever you want history proves me out. The lower classes have throughtout history bred more than the upper class.
              so bill gates' kids are poor? paris hilton grew up poor? throughout history poor people had more kids because they needed hands to work in the field, and the infant mortality rate was higher (still is higher in poor areas). poor people can't afford abortions, and lack adequate access to birth control. nevertheless, you missed my point.

              Originally posted by jlcooke3 View Post
              Nope not a socialist. A savior that required those who wanted to get to heaven to work through him. It takes personal responsibility and hard work to get there. Hmmm...hard work, personal responsibility, goals...nope doesn't have a thing to do with socialism.
              it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter heaven. blessed are those who are poor at heart. the meek shall inherit the earth.

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              • Originally posted by jasper45 View Post
                You have to cut me some slack though, my quarterback was just dealt to the Jets. My entire sports world has been turned upside down in the past several months.
                i think favre is being a hypocrite. he talked so much trash about sterling sharpe, now look at what he's doing. that's why i only truly follow boxing and mma.

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                • Originally posted by jsin925 View Post
                  i think favre is being a hypocrite. he talked so much trash about sterling sharpe, now look at what he's doing. that's why i only truly follow boxing and mma.


                  That's great, I'm glad for you.
                  If you can't separate the issue then, with what is happening now, so be it. The deal with Favre isn't about the money, never has been. There are deeper, darker issues at hand here, that none of us are privy to.

                  A player can retire, and then "un-retire" if they so wish. It is then up to the team to decide whether they want the player back, or not. There is nothing hypocritical about that. What was that saying you've been tossing around? Oh, yeah ... judge not, lest ye be judged ... Sound familiar?

                  As far as the other theatrics, oh, well. The crux of it is that Favre still wants to play, should still play, and will play. The Packers decided that their team wasn't where that will happen. It's business, and completely different from a contract dispute, such as Sterling Sharpe, or Javon Walker, or even Ryan Grant.

                  Oh yeah, I can't stand boxing, and I like MMA even less.




                  I also honestly don't think we could have drifted farther off the topic than I have now.

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                  • Originally posted by jasper45 View Post
                    That's great, I'm glad for you.
                    If you can't separate the issue then, with what is happening now, so be it. The deal with Favre isn't about the money, never has been. There are deeper, darker issues at hand here, that none of us are privy to.

                    A player can retire, and then "un-retire" if they so wish. It is then up to the team to decide whether they want the player back, or not. There is nothing hypocritical about that. What was that saying you've been tossing around? Oh, yeah ... judge not, lest ye be judged ... Sound familiar?

                    As far as the other theatrics, oh, well. The crux of it is that Favre still wants to play, should still play, and will play. The Packers decided that their team wasn't where that will happen. It's business, and completely different from a contract dispute, such as Sterling Sharpe, or Javon Walker, or even Ryan Grant.

                    Oh yeah, I can't stand boxing, and I like MMA even less.




                    I also honestly don't think we could have drifted farther off the topic than I have now.
                    touche'. nancy pelosi sucks, and you're right i was being a hypocrite.

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                    • Originally posted by jsin925 View Post
                      throughout history poor people had more kids because they needed hands to work in the field, and the infant mortality rate was higher (still is higher in poor areas). poor people can't afford abortions, and lack adequate access to birth control.
                      I'm sure the fact that we have a welfare system that, among other things, rewards for having children has nothing to do with it. Why go look for a job when I can pop another kid out and get extra $$$ from Uncle Sam?
                      So you call this your free country
                      Tell me why it costs so much to live
                      -3dd

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                      • Originally posted by Dave1983 View Post
                        I'm sorry to hear you have your head buried in the sand as well.
                        I love it, another conspiracy theorist with NO evidence.

                        You think my head is in the sand, I won't say where I think your head is.
                        I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

                        "The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list."

                        "When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water."

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                        • Originally posted by jsin925 View Post
                          here are articles to refute yours, but you'll dismiss them as nutball.

                          http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle18836.htm

                          http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle18727.htm

                          http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle19762.htm

                          http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle18838.htm

                          i bet you won't read them because you are not open to information that doesn't fit your paradigm.
                          Great source, some whackjob with a webpage. Yet you don't believe a very straight forward document from the US State Department, Amnesty International....

                          C'mon dude, you're pulling my leg with this Chavez stuff.
                          I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

                          "The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list."

                          "When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water."

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                          • Originally posted by voyager9 View Post
                            I'm sure the fact that we have a welfare system that, among other things, rewards for having children has nothing to do with it. Why go look for a job when I can pop another kid out and get extra $$$ from Uncle Sam?
                            that was true in the past, but at least in my town, it doesn't exist anymore. the new system is called w-2, and one can only be on it for 2 years throughout ones life, and there is cap on what one can get no matter how many children one has. it's been like this since the 90s. another clinton plan. i don't agree with the old system of welfare, but the new system actually costs more, which defeats the purpose to me. the ramifications of it are also something one can write a dissertation on.

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                            • Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
                              Great source, some whackjob with a webpage. Yet you don't believe a very straight forward document from the US State Department, Amnesty International....

                              C'mon dude, you're pulling my leg with this Chavez stuff.
                              my point is that there are two sides to every story. the majority of articles are from james petras who is (or was) an emeritus professor of sociology at SUNY binghamton. his documents are straight forward too, just not along your ideological spectrum. i can say that he writes in a very academic way though.

                              do you believe everything amnesty international says about the usa? the government has lost a lot of credibility with me with the whole there are weapons of mass destruction in iraq and we have proof, but they were wrong.

                              and, you know i can say the state dept is full of wackjobs. god knows congress is.

                              there is a great documentary called "the revolution will not be televised" where some irish filmmakers were doing a documentary on chavez and happen to catch the whole coup on film. it shows how the tv stations were complicit with the coup and distorted images to make it look like the chavez supporters were crazy people shooting innocent demostrators. whether one likes chavez or not it is a great film. here's a link to it: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...90545689805144

                              i know you won't watch it, but it is a great film.

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                              • Originally posted by jsin925 View Post
                                the new system is called w-2, and one can only be on it for 2 years throughout ones life, and there is cap on what one can get no matter how many children one has. it's been like this since the 90s. another clinton plan.

                                Actually, it was created by former Gov. Tommy Thompson. It was also a brilliant plan that was implemented in 1997, or so.
                                It was so revolutionary that many copied it elsewhere. It absolutely needed to be done, and I would gladly challenge any claim that it costs more now than before.
                                I saw firsthand how much abuse was on the welfare system here before. We removed a lot of free loaders off of our tax roll.

                                And before you get upset by that remark, the free loaders were those people who came here only to collect welfare. It happened, and it was ridiculous. Prior to W2, people flocked here to get on the system, because the requirements to collect were so lenient and lax.
                                The abuses happening were criminal.

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