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  • Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Actually, I'm a Registered Nurse and work as an executive in healthcare. So, I do understand patient rights and how consents are obtained.

    I don't know this organization, and while they have some benign information about their "goals", I believe they are misrepresenting the law to further their political agenda.

    Once again, read the law, it's all right there in black and white.
    like i said, i have read the law. did you watch the videos? i'm not even a fan of the free market like this organization, but i think they have some legitimate beefs. what do you think is their political agenda?

    i don't trust acts, like the no child left behind act, which according to it's standards has deemed the best high school in my state unfit because the special ed students didn't score high enough on the standardized tests. see http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=767566.

    please watch the videos then form your opinion.
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    • Originally posted by Raughammer1 View Post
      Ahhhhh, i just love the over confidence.

      You keep on thinking that way brother; i just hope the DNC is thinking the saaame way.
      hey, i don't like obama, nor do i like mccain. i'm just calling it like i see it. between those two, i don't care who wins. nothing will change. the rich will get richer, and the poor will get poorer. both parties suck.

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      • Originally posted by jsin925 View Post
        i'm not even a fan of the free market like this organization, but i think they have some legitimate beefs.


        “Capitalism is the greatest system ever created for alleviating general human misery, and yet it breeds ingratitude. People ask, ‘Why is there poverty in the world?’ It’s a silly question. Poverty is the default human condition... The interesting question isn’t ‘Why is there poverty?’ It’s ‘Why is there wealth?’ Or: ‘Why is there prosperity here but not there?’ At the end of the day, the first answer is capitalism, rightly understood. That is to say: free markets, private property, the spirit of entrepreneurialism and the conviction that the fruits of your labors are your own... In large measure our wealth isn’t the product of capitalism, it is capitalism. And yet we hate it. Leaving religion out of it, no idea has given more to humanity. The average working-class person today is richer, in real terms, than the average prince or potentate of 300 years ago. His food is better, his life longer, his health better, his menu of entertainments vastly more diverse, his toilette infinitely more civilized. And yet we constantly hear how cruel capitalism is while this collectivism or that is more loving because, unlike capitalism, collectivism is about the group, not the individual... Meanwhile, billions have ridden capitalism out of poverty. And yet the children of capitalism still whine.” —Jonah Goldberg
        01.20.13
        Change We Can Believe In.

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        • obama has this thing licked - he’s got the presidency in the bag

          Originally posted by jsin925 View Post
          i agree. obama has this thing licked.


          “Last week, the Obama campaign sent out a letter on behalf of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee that made two points, one implicit and the other explicit. The implicit point is that Obama himself has no problem raising money for his own campaign, and he’s got the presidency in the bag. The explicit point is that since Obama’s already won this thing, he’s asking donors to focus on supporting Democratic candidates for Congress. Said the letter, ‘We must have a deadlock-proof Democratic majority.’ So the guy running on ‘unity’ and ‘working across the aisle’ has neither the desire nor the intention to foster ‘unity’ or ‘work across the aisle.’ He wants to pound the Republicans into dust so he doesn’t have to deal with them at all. He wants a Democratic majority so lopsided that he can plow his far-left agenda right through. And he wants so many Democrats crawling the hallways of Capitol Hill that he won’t have to work as hard at all that exhausting and pesky persuasion and compromise. Change you can believe in? Sure, as long as it’s only his version of change. Unity? Sure, as long as Republicans are willing to bend to him and his liberal agenda. Working across the aisle? Sure, as long as the Democrats are so dominant that the aisle barely exists. With Obama, watch what he does, not what he says, because the silver tongue promises what the politician has no intention of delivering.” —Monica Crowley
          01.20.13
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          • Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
            Talk about clueless...

            OF COURSE we must drill more. How could finding more oil not help the cost of oil? It most certainly will, and yes, it will not help this year, but we must prepare for the future and explore now. How can anyone not see this?

            Should we explore other options, absolutely. However, while we wait for the car that runs on Obama's flip-flops and lies we need to find oil.

            What is your opposition to drilling more? Environmental? Anti-corporation? Black helicopters? Do you hate roughnecks??????

            WHAT could possibly be the reason?
            Riiiiight...just drill here, there and everywhere, and watch those prices at the pump fall. Why, we should just drill a hole every ten feet all over every wildlife refuge in the world. Screw the animals and the environment. Exxon still hasn't paid for the 1989 Valdez incident that is still poisoning the land and ocean...and that's not even close to the size of numerous other spills. I'll bet those compassionate oil companies will have the price of gasoline back down to 65 cents a gallon in no time! Hell, let's just pay for it ourselves...to hell with the "free market" you guys rant about all the time. Let's just give them billions of our taxpayer dollars so they can continue to get filthy rich raping the earth for a buck. No need for regulation...these guys always have the best interests of the little guy at heart! I mean, Exxon Mobile only raked in a mere 15 billion this quarter. Surely we can help out these struggling companies a little, right? I mean, why invest one thin dime in alternative energy sources; the oil will last forever!

            If you think the price-fixing son of a bitches that run the oil companies are going to lower their prices after we pay through the nose for them to drill all those holes you want, you're crazier than I thought you were.
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            • Originally posted by Raughammer1 View Post
              “Capitalism is the greatest system ever created for alleviating general human misery, and yet it breeds ingratitude. People ask, ‘Why is there poverty in the world?’ It’s a silly question. Poverty is the default human condition... The interesting question isn’t ‘Why is there poverty?’ It’s ‘Why is there wealth?’ Or: ‘Why is there prosperity here but not there?’ At the end of the day, the first answer is capitalism, rightly understood. That is to say: free markets, private property, the spirit of entrepreneurialism and the conviction that the fruits of your labors are your own... In large measure our wealth isn’t the product of capitalism, it is capitalism. And yet we hate it. Leaving religion out of it, no idea has given more to humanity. The average working-class person today is richer, in real terms, than the average prince or potentate of 300 years ago. His food is better, his life longer, his health better, his menu of entertainments vastly more diverse, his toilette infinitely more civilized. And yet we constantly hear how cruel capitalism is while this collectivism or that is more loving because, unlike capitalism, collectivism is about the group, not the individual... Meanwhile, billions have ridden capitalism out of poverty. And yet the children of capitalism still whine.” —Jonah Goldberg
              i don't know about all of that, but china pulls a million people out of poverty everyday. have you ever lived in the inner city, aka the ghetto? i have for 32 years and my neighborhood was devastated in the 80s by reaganomics, and then again by w-2. capitalism was great when applied to the crack market. but the free market shipped factory jobs (which supported my neighborhood) out of the country to mexico, and then from mexico to china. there are some people who live in 3rd world conditions in the ghetto. i know, i've been to their homes, and i've stayed with a mayan family in chiapas, mexico and there isn't much difference. other than the family in mexico could actually raise chickens and ***** to eat, and didn't have roaches infesting their homes and sewer rats. but they did have satellite tv like most homes in the ghetto here.

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              • Originally posted by Raughammer1 View Post
                “Last week, the Obama campaign sent out a letter on behalf of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee that made two points, one implicit and the other explicit. The implicit point is that Obama himself has no problem raising money for his own campaign, and he’s got the presidency in the bag. The explicit point is that since Obama’s already won this thing, he’s asking donors to focus on supporting Democratic candidates for Congress. Said the letter, ‘We must have a deadlock-proof Democratic majority.’ So the guy running on ‘unity’ and ‘working across the aisle’ has neither the desire nor the intention to foster ‘unity’ or ‘work across the aisle.’ He wants to pound the Republicans into dust so he doesn’t have to deal with them at all. He wants a Democratic majority so lopsided that he can plow his far-left agenda right through. And he wants so many Democrats crawling the hallways of Capitol Hill that he won’t have to work as hard at all that exhausting and pesky persuasion and compromise. Change you can believe in? Sure, as long as it’s only his version of change. Unity? Sure, as long as Republicans are willing to bend to him and his liberal agenda. Working across the aisle? Sure, as long as the Democrats are so dominant that the aisle barely exists. With Obama, watch what he does, not what he says, because the silver tongue promises what the politician has no intention of delivering.” —Monica Crowley
                duh! what do you expect. mccain would want it the same way in his favor.

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                • Originally posted by jsin925 View Post
                  i don't know about all of that, but china pulls a million people out of poverty everyday.
                  So...we should change America to a more China like style of government? Is that what you are advocating?
                  ...since you do not favor Capitalism?
                  have you ever lived in the inner city, aka the ghetto? i have for 32 years and my neighborhood was devastated in the 80s by reaganomics, and then again by w-2.
                  Yes i grew up in the inner city...though the 80's were when my parents had their biggest monetary gains. Capitalism offers that kind of financial opportunity...rather than working on a collective farm or as a doctor that makes the same wages as a peasant.

                  capitalism was great when applied to the crack market. but the free market shipped factory jobs (which supported my neighborhood) out of the country to mexico, and then from mexico to china. there are some people who live in 3rd world conditions in the ghetto. i know, i've been to their homes, and i've stayed with a mayan family in chiapas, mexico and there isn't much difference.
                  Yet it took you 32 years to get out of the ghetto? JS, crack kills...
                  Work hard, save your money and move. It worked for the poor of Europe that left oppression and came to America and has worked millions of times in this country ever since.
                  JS: No one owes you anything, not even a penny, it is not the government or someone else's responsibility to lift you out of poverty.
                  other than the family in mexico could actually raise chickens and ***** to eat, and didn't have roaches infesting their homes and sewer rats. but they did have satellite tv like most homes in the ghetto here.
                  If your spending your limited amount of money on satellite TV and applying capitalism to the selling of crack it is no wonder it took you 32 years to escape “the ghetto”.

                  You are responsible for your self and i doubt few would go along with wish to turn this country into a more China-like country as you seem to be advocating.

                  But I could be wrong: Feel free to start a poll....
                  01.20.13
                  Change We Can Believe In.

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                  • Originally posted by jsin925 View Post
                    duh! what do you expect. mccain would want it the same way in his favor.
                    *grin* i am not a huge mccain fan but he has a history of working across the aisle. Often times at the Repubilcan party's expense.

                    McCain has proven he has, would, and will work to bridge the aisle between the two partys....Obama has nothing but words.

                    Words are one thing (not much) but a proven track record of working with both partys is much more telling of how the candidate(s) would act in the future.
                    01.20.13
                    Change We Can Believe In.

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                    • Originally posted by Raughammer1 View Post
                      So...we should change America to a more China like style of government? Is that what you are advocating?
                      ...since you do not favor Capitalism?

                      Yes i grew up in the inner city...though the 80's were when my parents had their biggest monetary gains. Capitalism offers that kind of financial opportunity...rather than working on a collective farm or as a doctor that makes the same wages as a peasant.
                      you took everything i said the wrong way. i'm not promoting a china style economy, i was just pointing out that they fulfill economic goals without utilizing our system.

                      i have never sold crack, nor will i ever. but, in the neighborhood i grew up in it was the most lucrative market.

                      Originally posted by Raughammer1 View Post
                      Yet it took you 32 years to get out of the ghetto? JS, crack kills...
                      Work hard, save your money and move. It worked for the poor of Europe that left oppression and came to America and has worked millions of times in this country ever since.
                      JS: No one owes you anything, not even a penny, it is not the government or someone else's responsibility to lift you out of poverty.

                      If your spending your limited amount of money on satellite TV and applying capitalism to the selling of crack it is no wonder it took you 32 years to escape “the ghetto”.

                      You are responsible for your self and i doubt few would go along with wish to turn this country into a more China-like country as you seem to be advocating.

                      But I could be wrong: Feel free to start a poll....
                      easier said than done. i have a master's degree but i can't even get an interview (in the private sector) in the field i studied in even though i teach in that field at a local university part time. i never said that anyone owed me something, nor did i say that it was the responsibility of the government to pull me out of poverty. i'm still pretty poor, but now i'm in a great neighborhood where people aren't shooting outside my door.

                      working hard and saving your money might have worked for the poor of Europe that left oppression and came to America, but what about the descendents of the enslaved of this country? there are two, maybe more, americas. just crack open the door and i can let myself in. i live in milwaukee, wisconsin, and my friends from my neighborhood with college degrees had to leave the state to find a job paying a livable wage. no one would give them a chance here. but i'm stubborn, and i believe that i can make it here, and i shouldn't have to move. plus, i can't afford to because i have kids.

                      the point i was making with the satellite tv is that the poor in chiapas are privy to the same luxuries as the poor here. since you grew up in the inner city, even though your parents made money in the 80s when my friends' parents were being laid off, you should know that somethings are beyond ones control.

                      my parents made about six figures when i was a teenager, but they never moved out of the neighborhood. they still live there today. not everyone is poor in the ghetto, but the living standard is something i didn't want my kids to go through. but, it gave me an understanding of life that people in the suburbs aren't privy to.

                      in my observation capitalism profits the few, while the many pay for them. i don't really know but i don't think people in norway are complaining about their socialist government. i could be wrong.

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                      • Originally posted by jsin925 View Post
                        you took everything i said the wrong way.
                        My apologies.

                        i'm not promoting a china style economy, i was just pointing out that they fulfill economic goals without utilizing our system.
                        What economic goals? Who's? While child labor sweat shops and working for pennies a day is better than no pay at all, i do not think that the chinese model of middle class prosperity is one that many Americans would be willing to change to.
                        i have never sold crack, nor will i ever. but, in the neighborhood i grew up in it was the most lucrative market.
                        JS if you use it as an example others will use it as an example as well. If you use it to make a point others will and should do the same. If those that are living in the ghetto are selling crack and/or paying for satellite TV then no one is going to give a rats azz that they are mired in the "ghetto" for 32 years. It does not take 32 years to save enough money to buy a bus ticket to get out of that environment. I am sorry but i do not see your point in bringing the TV or the crack examples up.

                        easier said than done. i have a master's degree but i can't even get an interview (in the private sector) in the field i studied in even though i teach in that field at a local university part time.
                        Sorry JS, your personal experience has been far different from mine. I do not use the degree that i hold to make the money i do today... but the degree i hold opened doors in another field that has been satisfactorily lucrative to keep me out of the ghetto. Sorry your luck or your resume' has not given you the gifts of life you wish they would but exactly why are you bringing these personal problems up? Sir if there are no jobs in your area, MOVE. The unemployment rate in Houston is at 3.5%. If you try and farm in the desert you will most likely fail. But if you move to a more fertile area your chances of being successful will most probably improve...hey, I’m just sayin'.
                        i never said that anyone owed me something, nor did i say that it was the responsibility of the government to pull me out of poverty. i'm still pretty poor, but now i'm in a great neighborhood where people aren't shooting outside my door.
                        Sir complaining that:
                        1. the rich will get richer, and the poor will get poorer
                        2. i'm not even a fan of the free market
                        3. i have [lived in the ghetto] for 32 years and my neighborhood was devastated in the 80s by reaganomics, and then again by w-2.
                        4. capitalism was great when applied to the crack market

                        ...and so on and so forth, it leads people to think you have a beef with the capitalism- the free market - rich people, etc. etc. and that you equate those who make money in this system are taking advantage of all those in the "ghetto".
                        I stand by my statements as i hope you stand by those you have made.
                        working hard and saving your money might have worked for the poor of Europe that left oppression and came to America, but what about the descendents of the enslaved of this country?
                        What is your point, the black men sitting to either side of me make the same money as i do right now...heck one of them has been doing it for nigh 30 years. What about the descendents of the enslaved? Do they deserve some kind of special help the immigrants from Asia, Mexico or the middle east do not? Those folks for the most part seem to be doing pretty good over all...surely the "descendents of the enslaved of this country" are just as good as these ...immigrants. Yes?
                        I think you are selling a whole lot of people short...a whole lot of people.

                        there are two, maybe more, americas.
                        Sorry but there is one America. YOU might want to stick a "hyphen" in front of American but most of us do not. America is what you make of her...

                        just crack open the door and i can let myself in.
                        Odd others have just walked up and opened the door by themselves for the most part. Why should someone have to crack the door for you?
                        We are all equal JS, no one deserves to get the door cracked open FOR them if they are not willing to stand up and open it themselves.
                        i live in milwaukee, wisconsin, and my friends from my neighborhood with college degrees had to leave the state to find a job paying a livable wage.
                        Yea, thats the way it goes sometimes. Sounds like you had some smart friends.
                        no one would give them a chance here. but i'm stubborn, and i believe that i can make it here, and i shouldn't have to move. plus, i can't afford to because i have kids.
                        Sounds like to me your pride is hurting you...and your kids. I wish you all the luck in the world and all the success you desire but to keep doing the same thing and that "thing" leads to failure, well that is not the wisest decision IMO. The quickest way out of a hole to stop diggin’.
                        the point i was making with the satellite tv is that the poor in chiapas are privy to the same luxuries as the poor here. since you grew up in the inner city, even though your parents made money in the 80s when my friends' parents were being laid off, you should know that somethings are beyond ones control.
                        Sir, yes...sometimes. But life is what you make of it and millions before you and it seems, even your friends understood that the economy changes, it always changes. An area that is lucrative now might not be so successful in the future and we have to change our actions to be successful accordingly. What might have been beyond your control THEN, as a child is one thing. But now you’re an adult, you more (most probably) than have the means to purchase a bus ticket and move to a more lucrative area if that was your goal. Hispanics from other countries move to this area all the time and I assure you, many of them are MUCH less wealthy than you most probably are. (Not to mention they oft times do not even speak English…)

                        my parents made about six figures when i was a teenager, but they never moved out of the neighborhood.
                        Mine made a lot less than half that… neither them even added together ever made even close to that kind of money.
                        they still live there today. not everyone is poor in the ghetto, but the living standard is something i didn't want my kids to go through. but, it gave me an understanding of life that people in the suburbs aren't privy to.
                        The living standard in the suburbs is absolutely great… (comparatively speaking) I never want to go back to living in the “city”. I will take raising my children “here” over “there” any day.

                        in my observation capitalism profits the few, while the many pay for them.
                        in my observation capitalism profits those who work for it, while those who will not work for it suffer in misery.
                        i don't really know but i don't think people in norway are complaining about their socialist government. i could be wrong.
                        So…move to Norway? Or your other example of poor to prosperity: China.
                        What ever you decide please don’t try and change my country into Norway; just move there. No one is stopping you, but you…

                        Thanks for the conversation, have a great night.
                        01.20.13
                        Change We Can Believe In.

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                        • Originally posted by Raughammer1 View Post
                          So...we should change America to a more China like style of government? Is that what you are advocating?
                          ...since you do not favor Capitalism?

                          Yes i grew up in the inner city...though the 80's were when my parents had their biggest monetary gains. Capitalism offers that kind of financial opportunity...rather than working on a collective farm or as a doctor that makes the same wages as a peasant.

                          Yet it took you 32 years to get out of the ghetto? JS, crack kills...
                          Work hard, save your money and move. It worked for the poor of Europe that left oppression and came to America and has worked millions of times in this country ever since.
                          JS: No one owes you anything, not even a penny, it is not the government or someone else's responsibility to lift you out of poverty.


                          If your spending your limited amount of money on satellite TV and applying capitalism to the selling of crack it is no wonder it took you 32 years to escape “the ghetto”.

                          You are responsible for your self and i doubt few would go along with wish to turn this country into a more China-like country as you seem to be advocating.

                          But I could be wrong: Feel free to start a poll....
                          He's one of those American poor. You know, with a car, air conditioning and three TV's. Yet he has the gonads to compare himself to the poor in China and other third world nations? It didn't take him 32 years to get out of the inner city. It took him 32 years to WANT to get out of the inner city.
                          Last edited by GeorgeWendtCFI; 08-06-2008, 06:38 AM.
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                          • working hard and saving your money might have worked for the poor of Europe that left oppression and came to America, but what about the descendents of the enslaved of this country? there are two, maybe more, americas. just crack open the door and i can let myself in. i live in milwaukee, wisconsin, and my friends from my neighborhood with college degrees had to leave the state to find a job paying a livable wage. no one would give them a chance here. but i'm stubborn, and i believe that i can make it here, and i shouldn't have to move. plus, i can't afford to because i have kids.
                            Your "plight" sounds like alot of the people on here. People who wanted to be fire fighters and could not get a job where they lived. So they packed up and moved to where the jobs were. See a theme here?

                            Two Americas? Nonsense. From your post, I am getting that you are African-American. If I am wrong, I apologize. But if I am right, you really need to read the words you have been writing.

                            The "two Americas" apparently did not hurt your parents. They were able to make six figures. Yet, they did not want to abandon their neighborhood. They are exercizing their freedom to live where they want to live. They are not stuck.

                            The "two Americas" do not seem to have hurt you either. You have the most important key to success a person can have-education. You had the opportunity to get that education w/o regard to your race, color, etc. You had the freedom to live where you want, too.

                            Seems to me that, whatever your race, you are one of the Reparations crowd. Let me tell you, I didn't own slaves. None of my relatives ever owned slaves. No one I know owned slaves. I do not owe anyone anything. The insinuation that African Americans cannot get ahead on their own is a blatant insult to African Americans. Especially the huge number of Amercian Americans who have worked hard and become successful, just like I did.

                            It's all about education and hard work.
                            PROUD, HONORED AND HUMBLED RECIPIENT OF THE PURPLE HYDRANT AWARD - 10/2007.

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                            • Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
                              Your "plight" sounds like alot of the people on here. People who wanted to be fire fighters and could not get a job where they lived. So they packed up and moved to where the jobs were. See a theme here?

                              Two Americas? Nonsense. From your post, I am getting that you are African-American. If I am wrong, I apologize. But if I am right, you really need to read the words you have been writing.

                              The "two Americas" apparently did not hurt your parents. They were able to make six figures. Yet, they did not want to abandon their neighborhood. They are exercizing their freedom to live where they want to live. They are not stuck.

                              The "two Americas" do not seem to have hurt you either. You have the most important key to success a person can have-education. You had the opportunity to get that education w/o regard to your race, color, etc. You had the freedom to live where you want, too.

                              Seems to me that, whatever your race, you are one of the Reparations crowd. Let me tell you, I didn't own slaves. None of my relatives ever owned slaves. No one I know owned slaves. I do not owe anyone anything. The insinuation that African Americans cannot get ahead on their own is a blatant insult to African Americans. Especially the huge number of Amercian Americans who have worked hard and become successful, just like I did.

                              It's all about education and hard work.

                              Bing-freaking-o!
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                              • In my mere 34 years of life, I've ridden the economic rollercoaster more than many people twice my age.

                                I was raised in a typical middle class life. My father was a cop, my mom a book keeper. I didn't have everything I wanted, but I had enough. My needs were always met, and some of my wants, so I really have no room to complain about my childhood.

                                As an adult however, I became the type of person people don't speak well of. I was never a criminal, but I didn't want to work. My wife enabled me to do that, but it was still my fault. We were dirt poor. Family members brought us groceries so we wouldn't starve. I can never repay those family members, because it was my fault we were there.

                                When my son was born however, I woke up. I stepped up and realized it was past time to be a man and take care of business. I got my butt to work. It wasn't much, just temp jobs mostly, but it paid the bills. I kept working hard, and moving forward. While I had spans where there was no income, it wasn't for lack of trying. I'll admit it too, it was frustrating during those times.

                                That hard work paid off. Today, I make more than both of my parents. I'm not particularly educated either. I've got some college, but no degree. I did this on pure hard work and doing a good job. Nothing more, nothing less.

                                To say that people can't get ahead in a free market economy is pure BS. No, I'm not a millioniare, but that was never my goal. My goal is to support my family, pay my bills, and be able to have a little fun now and then. If my slacker butt was able to get into a better life, then anyone can.

                                It has nothing to do with race, religion, gender, blood type, or anything else. It has to do with pure force of will. If you want it badly enough, you will achieve it. Period.

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