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    This gobbledie gook to see if a new thread will start.
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    Oh ya sure a nonsense thread will start but a serious one wont.. go figure. Anyhow here is the serious part:

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    FRIENDLY FIRE AIN'T


    I can not imagine what sick feeling you would experience when this happens, and you realize you just shot at Friendlies.

    Friendly Fire Pilot: 'We're In Jail, Dude'. Cockpit Video Had Been Classified

    POSTED: 12:51 pm EST February 6, 2007
    UPDATED: 2:17 pm EST February 6, 2007

    LONDON -- The United States has agreed to release a classified cockpit video showing the dismayed reaction of two American pilots after they killed a British soldier during a friendly fire incident in Iraq, a spokesman for the coroner said Tuesday.

    In the video, a U.S. pilot is heard saying "I'm going to be sick," then "we're in jail, dude," after firing on the British convoy in the southern Iraqi city of Basra on March 28, 2003. Lance Cpl. Matty Hull was killed.

    The U.S. military had previously refused to release the video to Hull's family, despite requests by British government officials and the coroner investigating the death. The video was leaked and published Tuesday by The Sun newspaper. (Click here to see the video.)

    As a result, the U.S. had decided the video "can be shown to the coroner and the family in the presence of someone from the (Ministry of Defense)," coroner's officer Geoff Webb said.

    At the Pentagon, spokesman Bryan Whitman said the U.S. military's own investigation concluded that the firing was accidental; that the pilots "followed the procedures and processes for engaging targets," and that as a result no disciplinary action was taken against them.

    British authorities initially claimed the recording did not exist.

    The Ministry of Defense said in a statement Tuesday it had not tried to deceive Hull's family. It said the army's Board of Inquiry used a copy of the video in its investigation of the incident, but it was U.S. government property and it was not authorized to release it.

    The pilot can be heard in the cockpit trying to establish whether targets on the ground are coalition forces or insurgents.

    One man asserts that orange panels on the vehicles could mean they are coalition forces - most are equipped with bright markers to prevent such incidents.

    Another man is heard saying the orange markers look like rockets.

    "I think killing these damn rocket launchers, it would be great," a man on the recording is heard saying.

    Two U.S. A-10 jets allegedly opened fire on Hull's tank, which was part of five-vehicle convoy engaged in combat outside of Basra. Four other soldiers were injured, including the convoy's leader, Capt. Alexander MacEwen.

    The convoy - three British Scorpion tanks and two engineering vehicles - had come to a halt at the edge of a shantytown near the southern Iraqi city of Basra. The soldiers were being approached by a crowd of civilians carrying a white flag when they were attacked.

    The transcript printed in The Sun records the alleged exchange between the pilots after they realize what has happened.

    Pilot 1: "I'm going to be sick."
    Pilot 2: "Ah f---."
    Pilot 1: "Did you hear?"
    Pilot 2: "Yeah, this sucks."
    Pilot 1: "We're in jail, dude."

    The other pilot then weeps, according to the transcript.

    The Defense Ministry said when the army told the family the findings of its investigation, "we did inform them that some classified material had been withheld, but we did not specify its exact nature."

    The coroner investigating Hull's death has adjourned the inquest until Feb 16.

    Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press.


    Photo credit:
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    An Iraqi army soldier tries to kick open a gate during a search for insurgents and weapons caches in Chubinait, Iraq, Feb. 3, 2007.
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    Last edited by MalahatTwo7; 02-07-2007, 02:36 PM. Reason: New thread that wouldn't.
    If you don't do it RIGHT today, when will you have time to do it over? (Hall of Fame basketball player/coach John Wooden)

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  • #2
    just one of the downsides of war right there. if you compare this war to previous wars, the amount of friendly fire is far less but it will always happen. there's always going to be breakdowns in communication especially when you're dealing with multiple units from different countries operating in the same area. sad stuff though. and you can't blame the pilots, they asked multiple times if there were friendlys in the area and were told that there weren't. if they didn't fire on that convoy for all they knew they were letting insurgents get into the city to kill innocent people, and seeing as how im on a temporary duty assignment in the city where this happened i feel good knowing that they're up there doing what they do...

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    • #3
      This is why the guy making the call to shoot up something should be in one of the aircraft making the runs.If you're not being fired upon,you still have to make sure your target is something deserving of being fired on.This is true if you're running an A-10 hunting tanks or a .22 rifle going after squirrels.
      Either way,you can do the wrong thing and you have to be there to be able to say for certain if you did all you could to be sure you were gunning the right thing.

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      • #4
        Ya, it always sucks to be the sender, but not quite so bad as being the receiver. I am sure (based on the little that I have seen/heard) these guys did all that was prudent and SOP to try and ensure they did the right thing.

        And thanks KBRfiredog, for the update and sort of up close and personal view point. Such things are always appreciated on the Home Front. Keep yer head down and yer eyes open over there. Even though I am Canadian, I am still a soldier first, and I'll not be the first nor the last to say this, but your work is appreciated, no matter what some Nay-Sayers yap out. Stay safe!
        If you don't do it RIGHT today, when will you have time to do it over? (Hall of Fame basketball player/coach John Wooden)

        "I may be slow, but my work is poor." Chief Dave Balding, MVFD

        "Its not Rocket Science. Just use a LITTLE imagination." (Me)

        Get it up. Get it on. Get it done!

        impossible solved cotidie. miracles postulo viginti - quattuor hora animadverto

        IACOJ member: Cheers, Play safe y'all.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by MalahatTwo7 View Post
          And thanks KBRfiredog, for the update and sort of up close and personal view point. Such things are always appreciated on the Home Front. Keep yer head down and yer eyes open over there. Even though I am Canadian, I am still a soldier first, and I'll not be the first nor the last to say this, but your work is appreciated, no matter what some Nay-Sayers yap out. Stay safe!
          Amen to that Mal.

          PKFPD
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          • #6
            thanks guys i appreciate the support. its kind of ironic that story just hit the news again, im usually in Baghdad but right now im covering for a guy in the city where that took place. and Malahat i don't let the nay-sayers get to me. i see what goes on over here and i know that the President is doing the right thing. people will always find something to complain about. again i appreciate the support, whether it comes from the US or Canada

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            • #7
              Man that would have to suck! What a crappy position to be in.

              I'm not military, so I don't know how the process works- who wears the foot up the butt for this? The pilots, the controllers, etc??? I would have thought the pilots are in the clear given the were seeking clarification and clearnace, etc
              Luke

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              • #8
                To KBR firedog: stay low and safe bro and God speed for a safe return to the states."Never again will one generation of veterans forget another". Your brither in arms a Vietnam Vet.

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