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  • For those who (don't) like heights!

    The pucker meter is pegged.

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  • #2
    HOLY CRAP!!!!!

    Well for one, around here there would be a TON more trucks there. You can bet that my *** would be tied off before getting on the wrong side of the truck as some of those guys are..... on second thought, did they tie the truck off to anything to make sure it didnt go over?

    I wasn't there and you can't tell too much from the pics, so im not gonna Monday Morning Quarterback........but yeah, thats insane.
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    • #3
      Truck driver was one lucky son-of-gun.

      I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt that the vehicle has been properly assessed as to it's stability.

      As to fall protection, I'm not sure what could be easily and practically rigged up in the situation.

      And frankly, from the perspective in the photos it doesn't look very narrow -- I've hiked over areas that would've concerned me more.

      It does take working as a team, and even dedicating someone as a "set of eyes" to make sure someone doesn't forget where they are.

      My primary strategy would be to remove the roof and extricate the patient as rapidly as possible -- the sooner you get people out of the danger zone, the sooner the danger is past. The longer you dick around, the more opportunity you have for something bad to happen.

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      • #4
        WHOA!!!!!

        God was looking over him.

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        • #5
          Huh?..........

          Originally posted by RFRDxplorer View Post
          HOLY CRAP!!!!!

          Well for one, around here there would be a TON more trucks there. You can bet that my *** would be tied off before getting on the wrong side of the truck as some of those guys are..... on second thought, did they tie the truck off to anything to make sure it didnt go over?

          Yeah, us too, on more apparatus..... I think I'd be Super sensitive and mandate fall protection for anyone on the "wrong" side of the Guardrail..... We have some SOPs for Roof Work that I'd refer to, since the "Sheer Drop, Sudden Stop" effect is the same......
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          • #6
            I dunno..........

            Originally posted by Dalmatian190 View Post
            Truck driver was one lucky son-of-gun.

            I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt that the vehicle has been properly assessed as to it's stability.

            As to fall protection, I'm not sure what could be easily and practically rigged up in the situation.

            And frankly, from the perspective in the photos it doesn't look very narrow -- I've hiked over areas that would've concerned me more.

            It does take working as a team, and even dedicating someone as a "set of eyes" to make sure someone doesn't forget where they are.

            My primary strategy would be to remove the roof and extricate the patient as rapidly as possible -- the sooner you get people out of the danger zone, the sooner the danger is past. The longer you dick around, the more opportunity you have for something bad to happen.

            Couple of Points.....

            Vehicle Stabilization and Fall Protection Rigging can be done off the base of the Guardrail posts, there are plenty of them available, and using multiple points to spread the load is easy.

            Looking at the point immediately in front of the truck, there is a steep slope covered with loose gravel/dirt/whatever. I'd make that area "off limits" during operations as well.....

            I'll bet watching the construction of that Storm Drain was interesting....
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            Asst. Chief John R. Woods Sr. 1937 - 2006

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            • #7
              I'm thinking I wouldn't be the one sticking my head in the cab, the smell would likely be unbearable.

              While I'm sure they did a good assessment on the stability of the truck, there's no way you'd find me between it and the edge for fear that someone could lean on it wrong or something and cause it to slide. I'm also thinking I'd be working to secure the truck before working on extrication and all. That's just me, though.

              The driver definitely needs to count his blessings, I really don't see how in the world that thing was able to cross over the drainage pipe area without going on down.

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              • #8
                A big set of brass cojones keeps firefighters anchored!
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                • #9
                  Holy **** whata lucky SOB
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                  • #10
                    And it could be my low experience level with low-angle ropes Harve -- I'm just looking at what seems to me would be quite interesting to manage the number of ropes / tie-offs that would be involved. Stabilizing the truck would be straight forward -- logging chains around the guardrail posts and both axles, and come-a-longs to take up the slack would be quite effective.

                    Part of what is going on in my mind too is knowing some areas with terrain like that are quite isolated -- your next due Engine might be 20 or 30 minutes away, never mind tech rescue resources.

                    Balancing risk with available resources is something that's done day in, day out.

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                    • #11
                      Well one thing I see in the photos is this: the guys in yellow are on the UPHILL side of the truck. The fools err.. I mean folks in blue are on the WRONG side, but thats just my thoughts.

                      Take a closer look at the stuff at the bottom of the cliff... looks like maybe one or two others in the past were not so lucky. Or else that was just the junk in the box of the current vehicle.

                      Either way, if that was me in the driver seat of this truck I'd be buying up lots of lottery tickets cuz ya know ya just couldnt go wrong.....
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by MalahatTwo7 View Post
                        if that was me in the driver seat of this truck I'd be buying up lots of lottery tickets cuz ya know ya just couldnt go wrong.....
                        We took the opposing view, luck is all used up. Don't bother buying a lotto ticket, 'cause that cat just cashed in all nine lives at once!
                        You only have to be stupid once to be dead permanently
                        IACOJ Power Company Liason
                        When trouble arises and things look bad, there is always one individual who perceives a solution
                        and is willing to take command. Very often, that individual is crazy. - Dave Barry.

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                        • #13
                          Um, Yeah,...............

                          Originally posted by Dalmatian190 View Post
                          And it could be my low experience level with low-angle ropes Harve -- I'm just looking at what seems to me would be quite interesting to manage the number of ropes / tie-offs that would be involved. Stabilizing the truck would be straight forward -- logging chains around the guardrail posts and both axles, and come-a-longs to take up the slack would be quite effective.

                          Part of what is going on in my mind too is knowing some areas with terrain like that are quite isolated -- your next due Engine might be 20 or 30 minutes away, never mind tech rescue resources.

                          Balancing risk with available resources is something that's done day in, day out.

                          We agree, and I have a hunch that those who respond in this type of terrain have the appropriate training and at least minimal equipment to deal with this sort of incident. If not those who are members of the VFD, then certainly the Sheriff's Deputies are Trained in Rescue, and have some equipment. I have noticed that, West of the Mississippi, the Sheriff's Office seems to be the Lead agency in Rescue Operations quite often. Never happen here, but whatever works for them.....
                          Never use Force! Get a Bigger Hammer.
                          In memory of
                          Chief Earle W. Woods, 1912 - 1997
                          Asst. Chief John R. Woods Sr. 1937 - 2006

                          IACOJ Budget Analyst

                          I Refuse to be a Spectator. If I come to the Game, I'm Playing.

                          www.gdvfd18.com

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                          • #14
                            Harve.

                            Would it make sense to put a ladder up from the bottom for safety.
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                            • #15
                              At least they're on "solid" ground and not dangling from the side of a building or ontop a water tower.
                              I don't like heights at all and would definitely be looking where I put my feet if assigned to the lower side of this.Before I made a move,I'd want that truck chained to the nearest building using log truck chains,though.

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