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  • emtbff927
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    DM has it right. The projected cost is (more likely a factor of 2x or 3x is realistic) two million dollars a mile. For what this fence would eventually cost, you could hire enough border patrol officers to hold hands the length of the border and taunt in singsong, "Red Rover, Red Rover, let Pancho come over."
    Do what it takes to secure the border. More officers would be great. Just secure it. I'd rather pay for a fence and/or more officers than pay for an illegal abuse of the system.

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  • scfire86
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    Part of the problem with illegal immigration is the unwillingness to rethink NAFTA. When NAFTA was passed econ experts on both sides of the border realized that agriculture jobs would be lost in Mexico due to the competition being tilted in the favor of US farmers who compete advantageosly because of crop subsidies. The idea was that light manufacturing in northern Mexico would pick up the slack. Since that time China has emerged as a manufacturing jobs creator and the expected jobs in Mexico moved to China. Sooooo....all those ag workers just kept right on going north to where they could find work in an ag industry. We really have two choices given the present reluctance to cease crop subsidies. We either import Mexican goods or Mexican workers.

    DM has it right. The projected cost is (more likely a factor of 2x or 3x is realistic) two million dollars a mile. For what this fence would eventually cost, you could hire enough border patrol officers to hold hands the length of the border and taunt in singsong, "Red Rover, Red Rover, let Pancho come over."

    And that would be more effective. But if a 'feel good' fence is what people want, who am I to question the wisdom of the majority?
    Last edited by scfire86; 10-27-2006, 04:57 PM.

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  • feedtheflame
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    Originally posted by LuckyThirteen
    Exactly. I have no qualms with people wanting to come to this country. My ancestors did it in the early 1900s. The problem I have is when people choose to circumvent the system.
    That's my sentiments exactly. I don't want to prevent people from being able to immigrate to this country, I just want to prevent people from coming here illegally.

    I immigrated here. Albeit from England when I was like 2, but I still immigrated. I am here legally. I am a citizen. And I pay my taxes.

    We need to make a way for people to enter the country legally if they want to and become citizens. That way they can be entitled to some of the finer things in America like getting a job, going to jail, paying taxes, criticizing everyone in government, and voting for new people to criticize.

    I am all for a wall, just make a single crossing point in it, but make it possible for those who truly want out of their country to come here. I would think that those people would be willing to become citizens and learn English since old glory is gonna do so much for them.

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  • LuckyThirteen
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    Originally posted by voyager9
    If someone is here legally, I welcome them with open arms. If not, get the F out.
    Exactly. I have no qualms with people wanting to come to this country. My ancestors did it in the early 1900s. The problem I have is when people choose to circumvent the system.

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  • voyager9
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    Originally posted by LuckyThirteen
    Mexico's president is protesting the wall likening it to the Berlin Wall. He stated that last year 400 Mexicans died trying to cross the border. Hmmmm...

    Here's a novel idea. Don't try and cross the border. How is that people dying trying to illegally enter this country is our fault? Yet another one from the files of the Ministry of Stupidity.
    Mexico has nothing to gain by enforcing their side of the border, and a lot to loose. I read somewhere that US currency sent home is the 2nd leading source of foriegn income ($20bn annually).

    What gets me is all the "Immigrants-Rights" groups that have sprung up. Like illegal immigrants have any rights, execept for the long bus home. They are not entitled to health care. They're not entited to jobs, or unemployment, or food stamps. They're not even entitled to take up space in our prisions.

    If someone is here legally, I welcome them with open arms. If not, get the F out.

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  • LuckyThirteen
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    Mexico's president is protesting the wall likening it to the Berlin Wall. He stated that last year 400 Mexicans died trying to cross the border. Hmmmm...

    Here's a novel idea. Don't try and cross the border. How is that people dying trying to illegally enter this country is our fault? Yet another one from the files of the Ministry of Stupidity.

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  • emtbff927
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    Any fence will be worthless, as it is flooded with folks looking for a better life, as long as we continue to have jobs available but refuse to increase the number of visas available.
    Many of those that cross also waste our tax money, don't learn English, increase crime, and bring illegal drugs into the counrty.

    Fencing has proven to not be "worthless."
    According to the evening news and a local newspaper, the fence near San Diego has reduced illegal apprehensions there by 80 percent and crime in San Diego County has dropped by 56 percent. Violent crimes dropped by 47 percent. These numbers are corroborated by the FBI crime index.
    According to the INS for 1995: Over 10 percent of all of the people apprehended at the border have criminal records, many for serious crimes. El Paso police officials estimated that undocumented aliens committed 75 to 80 percent of all auto thefts, as well as many burglaries. The Mayor of El Paso reported to INS that illegal immigration costs the city about $ 30 to $ 50 minion per year.
    The San Diego sector Border Patrol in 2004 stated that apprehensions decreased from 531,689 in 1993 (before the fence) to 111,515 in 2003.

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  • DennisTheMenace
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    Any fence will be worthless, as it is flooded with folks looking for a better life, as long as we continue to have jobs available but refuse to increase the number of visas available.

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  • DaSharkie
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    Originally posted by BFDNJFF
    Just yesterday they signed papers to build a 700 mile fence along the border.

    Uh huh. But remember that the bill did not include funding.

    It also is only 700 miles of real and "virtual" fencing. This is just cameras and infra red. Yeah, that will really keep people out.

    And remember that the Southern defense is about 2000 miles long.

    Like it was said, the politicians have forgotten.

    This is nothing more than the ol' "feel good" legislation that politicians use at election time to boost ratings, but does nothing for the cause they are proclaiming.

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  • BFDNJFF
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    Originally posted by voyager9
    Have a Budwiser...

    Oh, and I agree with the quote completely. Tis something it seems our elected officials have forgotten.
    Just yesterday they signed papers to build a 700 mile fence along the border.

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  • voyager9
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    Originally posted by FlyingKiwi
    S'cuse me...

    I need a Beer.
    Have a Budwiser...

    Oh, and I agree with the quote completely. Tis something it seems our elected officials have forgotten.

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  • FlyingKiwi
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    S'cuse me...

    I need a Beer.

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  • mcfd45
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    [QUOTE=tomlaumann

    I don't know how everyone else feels about immigration. My grandparents immigrated here in 1912. They embraced this nation, became American's and served this nation. Three generations to this day still serve this great nation.
    If anyone comes here to follow a dream...let them come and make sure that they have only one allegiance to America and her people.[/QUOTE]
    Congrats on your folks coming to the us. i welcome all immigrants provided they come through legally and become americanized. Learn english and use it.
    J

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  • tomlaumann
    started a topic Being An American

    Being An American

    Teddy Roosevelt on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.

    "In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
    Theodore Roosevelt 1907

    I don't know how everyone else feels about immigration. My grandparents immigrated here in 1912. They embraced this nation, became American's and served this nation. Three generations to this day still serve this great nation.
    If anyone comes here to follow a dream...let them come and make sure that they have only one allegiance to America and her people.

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