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  • #31
    It was one of the best weddings I ever attended.
    Believe it or not, but my city, and more particularly my first due is almost entirely Hispanic. The entire city is a ‘minority majority’, with about 20% of Hispanic ancestry, my first due is around 75%, with the other 25% being black. The Latino community is divided mostly between Mexicans, and Puerto Ricans, which does lend itself to some interesting disputes on Puerto Rican holidays, and vice versa.
    I have a significant amount of experience with Mexicans, as I have worked in my present house for 11 years, and the majority of Mexicans are here to better themselves, as well as their families; who can fault them for that? Mexicans have a strong family system, and are very good workers.

    Another reason to change these laws in regard to immigrant workers is for the safety of these workers as well. They aren’t going to complain about companies that violate OSHA, or any other laws. Too often we have responded to a factory for an injury in the middle of the night, only to find a Mexican, who can’t speak English, standing by himself in the middle of the night, in his work wear, with a mangled hand, chewed up fingers, or some other kind of significant injury due largely to companies taking advantage of almost slave labor.
    Now I am no liberal, but these kind of circumstances are disgusting to me. These types of happenings are becoming more and more common, as more ’undocumented workers’ flood my city. Let’s change our immigration laws, document who’s working, get them paying taxes, supporting Social Security, and in the mean time make our country safer from terrorism.

    SC, I think you would find we might think more alike than it might appear.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by jasper45
      SC, I think you would find we might think more alike than it might appear.
      I agree. Since our immigration policies aren't going to stem the need for cheap labor we might as well put them into the system.

      Slavery will never be legally reinstituted, but for some American business the millions of illegal aliens are the next best thing: Illegal foreigners accept exploitation, don't complain about hazardous conditions, work for sub-living wages and don't demand expensive benefits. Why else would a company hire a non-English speaker who cannot understand instructions?

      Our history of importing foreign workers is rooted not in a true need for such labor, but because American businesses want to avoid increasing the wages of their domestic workers.

      The real demand for illegal immigrant labor comes from employers who pay minimum or below legal wages, while burdening the rest of society with these social costs.
      I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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      • #33
        Scfire:

        Your points are very true, but don't forget the other side of the formula, the consumer. Contractor A can do the job for X dollars but most of his workers are illegals. Contractor B bids at twice the price, but his workers are legal. Which contractor do you think will get the job?
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        "The most mediocre man or woman can suddenly seem dynamic, forceful, and decisive if he or she is mean enough." from "Crazy Bosses"
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        Genius has its limits, but stupidity is boundless.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by KenNFD1219
          Scfire:

          Your points are very true, but don't forget the other side of the formula, the consumer. Contractor A can do the job for X dollars but most of his workers are illegals. Contractor B bids at twice the price, but his workers are legal. Which contractor do you think will get the job?
          I'm thinking you prove my points.
          I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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          • #35
            I live in a state that is soon going to become majority mexican race probably in the next 10 years(if it isnt already) and I have worked beside many mexican's in the trenches. Most of them work as construction workers because A: Plenty of jobs for them B: They get paid well C: None are in unions so that correlates to D: Employers pay them less with little benefits and get a higher work to profit ratio compared to hiring white people.

            So.... :gasps: rather than fine companies who hire illegals... fine companies that pay them lower wages.

            That would force companies that hire illegals due to lower wages to... stop that tatic so any reason to hire illegals due to being cheaper would be tossed out the window. The only other reason would be that most American's are lazy and fat

            As for an article concerning is.... go here. You may think its a joke but it has some good points...


            http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=walmart


            Plus... I just like to stir the pot
            The Box. You opened it. We Came...

            "You'll take my life but I'll take your's too. You'll fire musket but I'll run you through. So when your waiting for the next attack, you'll better understand there's no turn back."

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            • #36
              I live in a state that is soon going to become majority mexican race probably in the next 10 years(if it isnt already) and I have worked beside many mexican's in the trenches.
              In 2005, Texas joined Hawaii, New Mexico, and California as a "majority-minority state." Minorities comprise 50.2 percent (11.3 million people) of the TX population according to July '05 census estimates. Arizona, Georgia, and Maryland are expected to become "majority-minority" states soon, if they aren't already.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by BFDNJFF
                Just yesterday they signed papers to build a 700 mile fence along the border.
                Did they also sign a bill to develope fishnet condoms?

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by emtbff927
                  Many of those that cross also waste our tax money, don't learn English, increase crime, and bring illegal drugs into the counrty.

                  Fencing has proven to not be "worthless."
                  According to the evening news and a local newspaper, the fence near San Diego has reduced illegal apprehensions there by 80 percent and crime in San Diego County has dropped by 56 percent. Violent crimes dropped by 47 percent. These numbers are corroborated by the FBI crime index.
                  According to the INS for 1995: Over 10 percent of all of the people apprehended at the border have criminal records, many for serious crimes. El Paso police officials estimated that undocumented aliens committed 75 to 80 percent of all auto thefts, as well as many burglaries. The Mayor of El Paso reported to INS that illegal immigration costs the city about $ 30 to $ 50 minion per year.
                  The San Diego sector Border Patrol in 2004 stated that apprehensions decreased from 531,689 in 1993 (before the fence) to 111,515 in 2003.
                  All it did was move the crossers from San Diego to other points to the east along the border.

                  Until we have a real policy change to deal with thte situation, half asssed fences and more guards are nothing but a stop gap measure. Get the workers visas so that they will come here, work, pay taxes, and feel free to go home when done, and be able to come back when work is available.
                  Be for Peace, but don't be for the Enemy!
                  -Big Russ

                  Learn from the mistakes of others; you won't live long enough to make them all yourself.

                  Originally posted by nyckftbl
                  LOL....dont you people have anything else to do besides b*tch about our b*tching?

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by DennisTheMenace
                    All it did was move the crossers from San Diego to other points to the east along the border.

                    Until we have a real policy change to deal with thte situation, half asssed fences and more guards are nothing but a stop gap measure. Get the workers visas so that they will come here, work, pay taxes, and feel free to go home when done, and be able to come back when work is available.
                    Geez DM. Do you know how nervous I get when we agree?
                    I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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                    • #40
                      Is it possible for you to make a more ridiculous statement? If you want to imply that controlling our border is somehow a racial issue, give it a try. All you will accomplish is to show just how off-base you are.
                      There's nothing ridiculous about it.
                      We should work towards changing the laws on work visas in this country, and make it easier for immigrants, particularly blue-collar types to gain entry, if they wish.
                      Right. Wanna take a stab at explaining why it isn't easier for these good, hardworking people to become Americans if they want to?
                      I love this pathetic argument from people, usually of liberal so holier than thou attitude.
                      Right. You're the one that wants to build a "wall", one of the most stupid ideas ever dredged up. Now THAT'S pathetic.
                      However, most people against illegal immigration are against it for anyone. You row across the Carribean from Hispaniola or Cuba, come in a container ship from China, Viet Nam, or Africa you ought to go back.
                      Wow..you didn't mention even ONE European nation with good white folk populating it...imagine that.
                      I bet those of you such as the the nozzle commie lived here in Tucson you would understand the strain illegal immigration places on the state system here.
                      Wow. Same old namecalling. Don't lecture me about immigrants living in your area. We have thousands in this area. And they are just like us. The irrational actions of people like you are just that...and based on the same old fears that have been used as an excuse to lash out at people who are "different" (ie. not straight, white folk) for years in this nation.
                      I understand the closest thing to "mexican" you have probably been next to was your neighborhood Taco Bell with all white kids working there.
                      Ummm...I'm pretty sure SC lives in the great state of California.
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                      • #41
                        Nozzleman's post is a classic example of trying to respond based on emotion, rather than logic.
                        Here's some logic for you...most of the right wingers who worry so much about what the evil invasion from Mexico is costing us were voracious supporters of the invasion of Iraq, a stupid war based on lies that is costing the U.S. taxpayer $177 million per DAY, with thousands upon thousands dead and maimed for life. And now they're worried about immigrants who are here working to better themselves getting health care for their sick children??? Nice.
                        Some people need to get their priorities straight.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by ThNozzleman
                          Ummm...I'm pretty sure SC lives in the great state of California.
                          Southern CA to be exact. Less than an hours drive (on a good day) from the border.

                          I didn't answer this retort because I was too busy laughing.
                          I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by scfire86
                            Geez DM. Do you know how nervous I get when we agree?
                            Glad to see you have occasional spats of intellegence!
                            Be for Peace, but don't be for the Enemy!
                            -Big Russ

                            Learn from the mistakes of others; you won't live long enough to make them all yourself.

                            Originally posted by nyckftbl
                            LOL....dont you people have anything else to do besides b*tch about our b*tching?

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by scfire86
                              I agree. Since our immigration policies aren't going to stem the need for cheap labor we might as well put them into the system.

                              Slavery will never be legally reinstituted, but for some American business the millions of illegal aliens are the next best thing: Illegal foreigners accept exploitation, don't complain about hazardous conditions, work for sub-living wages and don't demand expensive benefits. Why else would a company hire a non-English speaker who cannot understand instructions?

                              Our history of importing foreign workers is rooted not in a true need for such labor, but because American businesses want to avoid increasing the wages of their domestic workers.

                              The real demand for illegal immigrant labor comes from employers who pay minimum or below legal wages, while burdening the rest of society with these social costs.
                              We need to get these folks into the system, but I disagree that it is all evil big businesses fault. Labor has a hand in it too when their demands over reach what the employers can resonably afford. Around here we have construction laborers and housekeeping staff making well over $20 an hour, often on fake credentials. So they are making far better than the minimum wage, and taxes are being garnished from there wages. They are not taking jobs from any willing workers with citizenship or other legal status; and they are contributing to the tax base for the services that they use. When unemployment is as low as it is, we do need some of the imported labor, it is not an artificial creation.

                              Now lets get these folks into the system. The crimminals and the terrorists are not going to risk getting themselves into the system and will continue to to try to sneak in away from the border points. Get the workers to pass at those border points and we can pick up the bad actors easily without all the chaffe to co through.
                              Be for Peace, but don't be for the Enemy!
                              -Big Russ

                              Learn from the mistakes of others; you won't live long enough to make them all yourself.

                              Originally posted by nyckftbl
                              LOL....dont you people have anything else to do besides b*tch about our b*tching?

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by ThNozzleman
                                Right. Wanna take a stab at explaining why it isn't easier for these good, hardworking people to become Americans if they want to?
                                Well, everyone in North or South America is an American. But if you mean what it takes to be a citizen of the United States of America, well you have to come here through legal channels (or serve in the U.S. Armed Forces), contribute to society, and then take a citizenship exam. Oh yes, one must also disavow loyalty to another sovereign nation. Quite the difficult prospect there isn't it. How dare it be so difficult.

                                Originally posted by ThNozzleman
                                Right. You're the one that wants to build a "wall", one of the most stupid ideas ever dredged up. Now THAT'S pathetic.
                                I am ONE of many calling for an enforcement of the law. Such a novel concept. How racist. We already have a combination of walls, fences, and wide open border.

                                You offer up no defense of your "stupid idea" statement, which is normally how you operate. You criticize myself and others for our beliefs and points of view, yet with little evidence or substantiation for your own standing.



                                Originally posted by ThNozzleman
                                Wow..you didn't mention even ONE European nation with good white folk populating it...imagine that.
                                Because as I see it, there are not whords of people rowing boats, running across the Atlantic, or Northern Pacific Oceans, nor beating doen the doors from Africa to come here ILLEGALLY (realizing that you probably do not like that moniker - I will say KNOWINGLY violating the laws and sanctity of a sovereign nation.

                                My ancesters came across the Atlantic Ocean as well, of their own volition and followed all the orders, mandates, and laws required to enter this country from Ellis Island and other (for lack of a better word) clearing houses for immigrants wishing to come and enjoy the freedom and prosperity that a new land offers them.

                                So, that being said, my own church (and we all know - well most - of your absolute hatred of organized religion) is about 50% fresh-off-the boat African immigrants, mostly from Kenya but several from Ghana and other countries. As well as numerous Carribean nations, and a family Brazil and a few from good ol' Mexico. I count many of these folks as my friends.

                                Point being, they all made a trek here, at great personal expense, and have to jump through rediculous hoops to stay here and continue to contribute greatly to our society. Many of these hoops and much of the red tape is contributed to the huge influx of illegal migration. It is called population control. An issue that WILL affect us in the coming years as we have issues with water supply, pollution, healthcare, and other problems.

                                So dare I ask oh great and benevolent one....What is your solution? Or will continue to criticize others for their view while never offering one up of your own to receive its own scrutiny?

                                Signed,

                                The (NOT A) Racist.

                                Allegedly, I am also a racist for my stance against affirmative action. Which is already a program for hiring in many states for people who have come to this country and speak Spanish in the home growing up.

                                If you wish to call me racist (which is not true), then I in turn should - using your own standards (but I will not) - call you and/or others racist for your stance in ensuring that based solely upon one's race that they are offered a position over a person of anglo-saxon descent.
                                "Too many people spend money they haven't earned, to buy things they don't want, to impress people they don't like." Will Rogers

                                The borrower is slave to the lender. Proverbs 22:7 - Debt free since 10/5/2009.

                                "No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session." - New York Judge Gideon Tucker

                                "As Americans we must always remember that we all have a common enemy, an enemy that is dangerous, powerful and relentless. I refer, of course, to the federal government." - Dave Barry

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