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  • #31
    As WorldNetDaily reported, Broaddrick, a former nursing home administrator in Van Buren, Ark., told Sean Hannity of Fox News Channel's Hannity and Colmes program last Wednesday Clinton sexually assaulted her in 1978 while he was attorney general of Arkansas.
    I agree that Clinton has issues when it comes to women, but lets look a little deeper.

    Remember Troopergate? The Arkansas state troopers who swore that they set Clinton up with women or were present, and aided in Clinton setting up encounters. When it came out that they were paid to tell the story by a conservative activist they suddenly didn't have much too say about the topic.

    I am not calling anyone a liar here, but WorldNetDaily and Sean Hannity are stauchly conservative. Hannity's own book is full of factual errors as it pertains to his liberal bashing. Don't believe me, look here:http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20020826.html It would come as no surprise that they would run with a story without FULLY investigating its validity as long as the subject is a democrat.

    I agree with Mikey. Shall we drudge up all of the Presidents indescretions?

    What about that DUI in Maine?

    Why are record of SEC investigations into his bankrupt companies unavailable?

    What about his relationship to Ken Lay?

    I could go on but won't for brevity's sake.

    Lie about getting a blow job.....face impeachment

    Lie in order to justify a war....well, that must be okay

    By the way, why is it that right windbags still rely on Clinton bashing. Aren't there nine or so Democrats actually pursuing the presidency they should be focusing on?
    "We shouldn't be opening firehouses in Baghdad and closing them in New York City."

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Duffman
      I need to clarify my last post. I don't want it to appear that I am attacking George. He and I clearly do not agree on many things when it comes to politics. We have however debated maturely and I respect his knowledge in many areas. We have even agreed on a few things.

      Sorry if my post appeared personal.

      Duff
      Yours was a COMPLETELY personal attack. An unprovoked personal attack, I might add.
      PROUD, HONORED AND HUMBLED RECIPIENT OF THE PURPLE HYDRANT AWARD - 10/2007.

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      • #33
        By the way, why is it that right windbags still rely on Clinton bashing.
        Because he is constantly touted by "left windbags" as a great President. There are many errors and problems in everyone's past, unfortunately, people on both sides of the aisle who can't accept it that some 15 or 20 year old youngster isn't thinking about becoming President when he shoplifts or smokes a bone ( not condoning either one. ) As for President Bush's D.U.I., I don't recall he ever denied it. true, he never brought it up, but he didn't have to, whereas Mr. Clinton outright lied about it, to me, his employer, a citizen of this great country. And no, I am not naive enough to think that any politician tells the truth 100% of the time.

        Well then I guess the rumors about our current presidents alledged cocaine use should be discussed.
        Again, never denied. Never brought up either, but I am sure there are things in everyone's past that we do not bring up at parties or even to own spouses - for whatever reason. At least he didn't say he never inhaled and made himself a laughing stock.

        This thread will go nowhere because he and other Bush kool-aid drinkers won't accept anything but the company line.
        I resent this as weel. I do not tow the "company line." I am a reasonably intelligent man who can make rational decisions for myself. I do not need to be told by the selfish politicians of any party what is right or wrong for me to think. I suppose that it is OK to take the Ted Kennedy kool-aid, or the Howard Dean Kool-aid though isn't it. I trust that you are a mature responsible adult yourself, quite capable of making your own decisions and not requiring your thoughts to be given to you by some politico. Please have the decency to respect others for their own differing beliefs and views, like it or not.
        "Too many people spend money they haven't earned, to buy things they don't want, to impress people they don't like." Will Rogers

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        • #34
          ....and back to the topic of this thread, the documentary was a good show. It was interesting to see the actions going on that most people were unaware of.
          "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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          • #35
            Doing my best Andy Rooney impression: Why is it that whenever we start talking about politics/politicians we end up getting into this same huge debate?

            Thank you Bonesy for the attempt to get this thread back on topic. I dont think it is going to work though. Why dont we just add this to the topics that never end...
            Shawn M. Cecula
            Firefighter
            IACOJ Division of Fire and EMS

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            • #36
              Thanks bones for the effort. I did not want to stir
              every one up. I just thought it was a good show.

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              • #37
                Remember, there are 2 subjects that will bring about a storm of controversial opinions that can be overwhelming and run the complete gambit. What are those 2 subjects? We've covered one so far.



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                • #38
                  **Shaking head* NNNOOO NNOOOOO not that one too. Not again. Please not again.
                  If you don't do it RIGHT today, when will you have time to do it over? (Hall of Fame basketball player/coach John Wooden)

                  "I may be slow, but my work is poor." Chief Dave Balding, MVFD

                  "Its not Rocket Science. Just use a LITTLE imagination." (Me)

                  Get it up. Get it on. Get it done!

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                  • #39
                    I read the passage about Sean Hannity provided above. I must say, even though it is basically Liberal Bickering over Conservative Opinion, it was interesting reading and kinda makes ya think a bit.

                    I tend to lean more toward the Right, but do not toally disagree with everything the Left has to say. Particularly when it comes to Labor and Defense issues. Neither side will ever be completly right, I guess.
                    Proud Right-Wing Extremist since 1992

                    "Extreme Liberalism is a Mental Disorder"- Michael Savage

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                    • #40
                      3900!

                      firelt1951.....hmmmmm... Would that be SB vs F (I could not bear to spell it out)?

                      Bones is right...this thread got way off target. It started as a discussion on a TV show and turned political. Seems some folks just like to stir the stew no matter what the subject

                      Can not beleive that I wasted my 3900th post on this....Darn it!
                      09-11 .. 343 "All Gave Some..Some Gave ALL" God Bless..R.I.P.
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                      • #41
                        ** Members reserve the right to hijack an occasional unsuspecting thread and supplant it's contents with a good political scrum. Especially when said members live in remote locations surrounded by teenage hippies incapable of forming coherent sentences, or informed political opinions. **

                        So who wants to debate NAFTA?
                        Never argue with an Idiot. They drag you down to their level, and then beat you with experience!

                        IACOJ

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                        • #42
                          hehehe
                          September 11th - Never Forget

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                          • #43
                            Gee, I can't believe this thread got by me! George and I have banged heads on this issue before, of course. I think the war in Iraq was a big mistake and was waged for no reason other than control of the area and it's oil. The Bush administration ties to oil are well documented. No WMD have been found. There were no real ties to "terrorism" by Iraq's government. The chickens will come home to roost for Bush, I think...and soon.
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                            • #44
                              Yours was a COMPLETELY personal attack. An unprovoked personal attack, I might add.
                              Sorry George, I guess I came on a little strong. Of, course I it's not like I called you a rapist or anything. Just Kidding.

                              Apology offered,

                              Duff
                              "We shouldn't be opening firehouses in Baghdad and closing them in New York City."

                              IACOJ

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                              • #45
                                The question was asked why we (as conservatives) have not gotten beyond the former President Clinton. Here are three reasons why:

                                1. He (Clinton) cannot continue a time honored tradition of former Presidents not attacking his successors policies. He does this at every chance.

                                2. He is still in charge of the Democratic Party. Why else would Terry MacCauliff (ms?), Clinton's close friend, still be head of the DNC after their loss of the Senate and loss of seats in the House in '02?

                                3. Can you honestly say that the ten dwarfs running for the Democratic nod have much substance? All I hear them doing is calling President Bush names - no substance. If the Democratic ticket in '04 has Dean at the top, its going to be a landslide in Bush's favor close to that of Reagan's second election!

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