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  • tanker5117
    started a topic WTC cross

    WTC cross

    Sep 9, 2003 7:42 am US/Eastern
    (TRENTON, N.J.) A steel beam in the shape of a cross from the World Trade Center wreckage has drawn criticism from an atheist group.

    The American Atheists objects to the cross at ground zero because they say it's a religious emblem.

    Ellen Johnson, president of American Atheists based in New Jersey, told The Trentonian newspaper that the cross is -- in her words -- ``a Christian religious advertisement.'' Johnson said allowing the cross to remain, is -- in her words -- ``an insult to everyone who doesn't believe in that particular religion.''

    The group, founded by the late Madelyn Murray O'Hare, is considering a lawsuit to prevent the cross from becoming part of any permanent memorial to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

    Too bad she is so insulted, but I think there are alot more people that believe in God then don't. Tanker

  • E40FDNYL35
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    http://www.graydc.com/content/news/-...379861941.html

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  • E40FDNYL35
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    If you haven't already been informed, this upcoming Saturday (MAY 21st, 2016), the 9/11 Responders Remembered Park will be honoring 61 heroes who are now amongst gods army of heroes! We will also be honoring Ray Pfeifer FDNY who is a role model to all and one of the individuals we all strive to be like in our own lives! We hope to see you all there at the 9/11 Responders Remembered Park, located at the corner of Gibbs Pond Road and Smithtown Blvd! IF YOUR FROM LONG ISLAND, DONT JUST LIKE THIS... COME DOWN AND BE A PART OF A MOVING CEREMONY!

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  • pvfd27
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    Can't resist a troll here. Seeing "God" in the form of the random intersection of two I-beams, considering that 3000 innocent people including 343 FF's were brutally, selfishly murdered, is a tad ironic.

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  • firefightinirish217
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    Originally posted by scfire86ret View Post
    I'm an atheist and I could care less about this topic. I would really like folks like this guy to not create an issue where none exists. I have no problem with any group believing in some mythical sky being that is dispensing justice or has some grandiose plan for humanity.

    I would very much appreciate if religious believers had as much respect for my beliefs as I have of theirs.
    Sooooo, by saying you could care less it sounds like you do care. I think what you really mean is that you COULDN'T care less. That means that you don't care because you can't care less than not caring at all. And the fact that you posted on here means that you do care about the subject or you wouldn't have made it a point to express that you are an atheist and make your broad all encompassing statement towards all religious people. Not to mention your snide little remark about a mythical sky being. Just saying.

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  • scfire86ret
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    I'm an atheist and I could care less about this topic. I would really like folks like this guy to not create an issue where none exists. I have no problem with any group believing in some mythical sky being that is dispensing justice or has some grandiose plan for humanity.

    I would very much appreciate if religious believers had as much respect for my beliefs as I have of theirs.

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  • firefightinirish217
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    Originally posted by PAVolunteer View Post
    Similarly, if an atheist believes that there is no God, then why do they care if there is a symbol of God displayed? Aren't they admitting that there is a God, by the simple offense taken by the symbol?

    ... sorry, just some random thoughts.

    No, that's not random, that's epic PA! I believe that is the best rebuttal of an athiest arguement I have ever seen. Wish I had thought of it, haha.

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  • voyager9
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    Originally posted by tanker5117 View Post
    Ellen Johnson, president of American Atheists based in New Jersey, told The Trentonian newspaper that the cross is -- in her words -- ``a Christian religious advertisement.'' Johnson said allowing the cross to remain, is -- in her words -- ``an insult to everyone who doesn't believe in that particular religion.''
    Oh Ellen.. it's far worse then you imagine. The item in question is not man made and was formed naturally in the wreckage. The fact that the item formed in the shape of a cross is proof that there is a god and that she wants everyone to bow down to her iron clad rule.

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  • voyager9
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    Originally posted by tanker5117 View Post
    "An international symbol for Atheism has long been needed. When American Atheists was formed in 1963, a contemporary scientific symbol was chosen; this acknowledges that only through the use of scientific analysis and free, open inquiry can humankind reach out for a better life."
    I love the strawman argument that somehow Science == Atheism != Religion. In fact, as an engineer I abhor that this Atheist Group subverts a scientific symbol and claim to be for "use of scientific analysis and free, open inquiry can humankind reach out for a better life." when in fact they're for the opposite. Bunch of hypocritical, self-righteous, ****** bags.

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  • Beach Head
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    Originally posted by zippo99 View Post
    I wonder what kind of money those atheist use to pay their bills.
    Doesn't it say on a dollar bill :" IN GOD WE TRUST"?
    So if they don't trust in god because they don't believe in god...then how are they supposed to live in this country? They can't pay bills because of that crappy motto that's stamped on our currency! Maybe we should just get rid of the motto, you know to separate church from state. Then everyone will be happy. Oh wait, no we won't. The crazy ****ed of cult members of the Westboro Baptist Church will make an appearance and start spewing hate from their bigot faces. Unless......maybe once they show up...Atheists and Christians will finally come together and agree on something...and that something is hating the WBC! Byaaah!!

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  • Beach Head
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    Originally posted by PFire23 View Post
    Here's a solution for her............ if ya don't like it avert your damn eyes and DON'T look.
    That's right. If you don't like religious symbolism, just don't look.
    Same with walking down the street and seeing mega churches on the street corners, just don't look.
    Or when watching TV....just don't look...
    Or when going about your everyday life-wait...I'm seeing a trend here.

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  • PAVolunteer
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    What is a cross?

    A cross is a symbol.

    What does the symbol stand for?

    Isn't that defined by the beholder? If you raise your middle finger to someone, isn't the true meaning of that symbol defined by the person viewing the finger? If you don't think it means anything, you won't care.

    Similarly, if an atheist believes that there is no God, then why do they care if there is a symbol of God displayed? Aren't they admitting that there is a God, by the simple offense taken by the symbol?

    ... sorry, just some random thoughts.

    Back to the practical thoughts ...

    Unless this chick is going to pay for the memorial, I don't give a rat's *** what she thinks should, or should not be included.

    Stay Safe

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  • zippo99
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    I wonder what kind of money those atheist use to pay their bills.
    Doesn't it say on a dollar bill :" IN GOD WE TRUST"?

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  • martinm
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    In the words of one of New Yorks Bravest, just days after 9/11...

    "You can kiss my royal Irish ***"

    I think that is a fitting reply to a statement such as this.

    Remembering the 343 from this side of the pond, always.

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  • WVFDCap
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    As someone has already stated, "You cannot say anything without offending somebody." This, unfortunately, is so true. I think that something (I don't know what) in our culture has bred a generation that whines about every little thing. Its getting to be totaly obserd!

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