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  • Close The Strait of Hormuz? You COULD

    For about 24hrs maybe....

    Iran's Strait of Hormuz could easily be closed, admiral says

    AFP December 28, 2011 9:36 AM

    TEHRAN, Dec 28, 2011 (AFP) - Iran would find it "really easy" to close the world's most important oil transit channel, the Strait of Hormuz at the Gulf's entrance, but would not do so right now, Iran's navy chief said Wednesday.

    "Shutting the strait for Iran's armed forces is really easy — or as we say (in Iran) easier than drinking a glass of water," Admiral Habibollah Sayari said in an interview with Iran's Press TV.

    "But today, we don't need (to shut) the strait because we have the Sea of Oman under control, and can control the transit," he said.

    Sayari was speaking a day after Vice President Mohammad Reza Rahimi threatened to close the strait if the West imposed more sanctions on Iran, and as Iran's navy held war games in international waters to the east of the channel.

    World prices briefly climbed after Rahimi warned on Tuesday that "not a drop of oil will pass through the Strait of Hormuz" if the West broadened sanctions against Iran over its nuclear program.

    "The enemies will only drop their plots when we put them back in their place," the official news agency IRNA quoted Rahimi as saying.

    More than a third of the world's tanker-borne oil passes through the Strait of Hormuz, a strategic choke point that links the Gulf — and its petroleum-exporting states of Bahrain, Iran, Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates — to the Indian Ocean.

    The United States maintains a naval presence in the Gulf in large part to ensure that passage for oil remains free.

    But Sayari asserted that the Strait of Hormuz "is completely under the control of the Islamic Republic of Iran."

    He said Iran's navy was constituted with the aim of being able to close the strait if necessary.

    France reacted by calling on Iranian authorities to respect international law and allow unhindered passage of all ships through the strait.

    Sayari meanwhile said the navy manoeuvres east of the strait were designed to show Gulf neighbours the power of Iran's military over the zone.

    Ships and aircraft dropped mines in the sea Tuesday as part of the drill, and on Wednesday drones flew out over the Indian Ocean, according to a navy spokesman, Admiral Mahmoud Mousavi.

    Iran has several times said it is ready to target the strait if it is attacked or economically strangled by Western sanctions over its nuclear program.

    An Iranian lawmaker's comments last week that the navy exercises would block the Strait of Hormuz briefly sent oil prices soaring before that was denied by the government.

    Tehran in September rejected a Washington call for a military hotline between the capitals to defuse any "miscalculations" that could occur between their navies in the Gulf.

    In Washington, U.S. State Department deputy spokesman Mark Toner dismissed the latest threat from Iran's vice president.

    "I just think it's another attempt by them to distract attention from the real issue, which is their continued non-compliance with their international nuclear obligations," Toner told reporters.

    The United States and other Western countries accuses Iran of using its uranium enrichment program to build nuclear weapons. Iran denies the charges.

    Extra U.S. and European sanctions aimed at Iran's oil and financial sectors are being considered.

    A European Union spokesman said Wednesday the bloc was pressing ahead with those plans regardless of Tehran's threat.

    © Copyright (c) AFP

    Read more: http://www.timescolonist.com/Iran+St...#ixzz1hqzyl2SV


    At which time Washington would have made up His Mind, and the current US carrier fleet would begin doing what it gets paid to do.... clean house and mop up. Closing the Strait would be about the last operational activity that the Iranian Navy would ever do, before becoming "extinct". Of course this is only one person's opinion: Mine.
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    Originally posted by MalahatTwo7 View Post
    At which time Washington would have made up His Mind, and the current US carrier fleet would begin doing what it gets paid to do.... clean house and mop up. Closing the Strait would be about the last operational activity that the Iranian Navy would ever do, before becoming "extinct". Of course this is only one person's opinion: Mine.
    Fish in a barrel.
    I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
      Fish in a barrel.
      Good hunt'n, but not sure about the taste......
      If you don't do it RIGHT today, when will you have time to do it over? (Hall of Fame basketball player/coach John Wooden)

      "I may be slow, but my work is poor." Chief Dave Balding, MVFD

      "Its not Rocket Science. Just use a LITTLE imagination." (Me)

      Get it up. Get it on. Get it done!

      impossible solved cotidie. miracles postulo viginti - quattuor hora animadverto

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      • #4
        Didn't they already try this once?. Really Worked out great for them last time, Reagan beat the crap out of them in a couple of hours. It can be dangerous to be to self confident but even with our current president I don't see this ending well for them. Feel sorry for the people who are already suffering under these idiots, I think their world is about to suck worse.

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        • #5
          They tried that back in '88 when I was there. Didn't pan out as they expected, I'm sure....
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          • #6
            Originally posted by SPFDRum View Post
            They tried that back in '88 when I was there. Didn't pan out as they expected, I'm sure....
            Ya well you know the old saying: "That was another Admiral and a different navy. We can and will do things differently." {Well, at least WE think so!"} Ya! Right dude. You keep thinking those thoughts.

            In any case any attempt to put a blockade on the Strait will end poorly for their team for sure.

            Just had a look at their navy list. For a small county, its fairly extensive: couple Kilo class subs and a lot of escort/close in support vessels.

            A bit worriesome is the US and UK built ships that are still on the line. The upside of that I guess is that the weapons onboard are no longer original issue, but then that throws a wild card into the deck.

            Sometimes, however, its not so much the weapons, as the handling of a ship, that kills well. A well trained crew and do more with sling shots and marbles than a sloppy crew with the latest and greatest in EW and offensive tools. Still a harpoon or its Chinese/North Korean equivilant can still ruin your day in a real bad way.
            Last edited by MalahatTwo7; 12-29-2011, 07:19 AM.
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            "Its not Rocket Science. Just use a LITTLE imagination." (Me)

            Get it up. Get it on. Get it done!

            impossible solved cotidie. miracles postulo viginti - quattuor hora animadverto

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            • #7
              Originally posted by MalahatTwo7 View Post

              In any case any attempt to put a blockade on the Strait will end poorly for their team for sure.
              An escalation in the Strait will end poorly for everybody. While I think Iran is just blustering, even the threat of closing the Strait can cause the price of oil to jump. Oil speculation is hardly rational to begin with.

              The US can handle almost anything Iran has.. but again if it comes to a shooting war then the damage is already done.

              Also look at how narrow the strait is.. it can practically be closed using land-based assets. The Kilo's won't be very good given the dept of that area but they can be used to lay mines, which is more of a threat.
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              • #8
                I wonder if the Iranians believe that Obama isn't willing to use military force. They must either have their intel heavily censored or is not plain not paying attention.
                They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

                I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                  I wonder if the Iranians believe that Obama isn't willing to use military force. They must either have their intel heavily censored or is not plain not paying attention.
                  I'm sure this is related to the US pulling out of Iraq.

                  Iran is just sabre rattling and trying to extend their influence.
                  I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

                  "The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
                    I'm sure this is related to the US pulling out of Iraq.

                    Iran is just sabre rattling and trying to extend their influence.
                    Could also be a shell game to get the world to look one place while they move on another. Iran is always under a lot of scrutiny but by acting up at the Strait they're drawing the attention away from the Iran/Iraq border. Combine that with the US pullout of Iraq and Iran's increasing political leverage in that country..
                    So you call this your free country
                    Tell me why it costs so much to live
                    -3dd

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by voyager9 View Post
                      An escalation in the Strait will end poorly for everybody. While I think Iran is just blustering, even the threat of closing the Strait can cause the price of oil to jump. Oil speculation is hardly rational to begin with.

                      The US can handle almost anything Iran has.. but again if it comes to a shooting war then the damage is already done.

                      Also look at how narrow the strait is.. it can practically be closed using land-based assets. The Kilo's won't be very good given the dept of that area but they can be used to lay mines, which is more of a threat.
                      Sigh, ya I know, and agree on all points. The narrowness is very well illistrated, having been there myself and spent all of Christmas Day, 2001 patrolling the entrance, and escorting tanker/frieghter traffic through. Shorebased batteries would make a mess of any shipping through there, as at its maximum, its only about 22 miles side to side. A couple M777's or their Asian equivilants will make a major mess of any shipping.... at least until a couple A10s decided to wake up and get airborne that is. In any case, I think I'll be very happy that its not going to be my balliwick to deal with, this time.
                      If you don't do it RIGHT today, when will you have time to do it over? (Hall of Fame basketball player/coach John Wooden)

                      "I may be slow, but my work is poor." Chief Dave Balding, MVFD

                      "Its not Rocket Science. Just use a LITTLE imagination." (Me)

                      Get it up. Get it on. Get it done!

                      impossible solved cotidie. miracles postulo viginti - quattuor hora animadverto

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by MalahatTwo7 View Post
                        Sigh, ya I know, and agree on all points. The narrowness is very well illistrated, having been there myself and spent all of Christmas Day, 2001 patrolling the entrance, and escorting tanker/frieghter traffic through. Shorebased batteries would make a mess of any shipping through there, as at its maximum, its only about 22 miles side to side. A couple M777's or their Asian equivilants will make a major mess of any shipping.... at least until a couple A10s decided to wake up and get airborne that is. In any case, I think I'll be very happy that its not going to be my balliwick to deal with, this time.
                        Ya. It would be nice if the Sauds or UAE stepped up here. They're both in a good position to do something since they border the strait and have fairly significant militaries.. Oh, and since it's also THEIR OIL that Iran is messing with.

                        Of course, then you look at who benefits from Iran's tantrum. OPEC.. yup. Russia.. yup. China.. probably.
                        So you call this your free country
                        Tell me why it costs so much to live
                        -3dd

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                        • #13
                          Operation Earnest Will

                          It didn't work out well last time.
                          Last edited by fallujahff; 12-29-2011, 06:25 PM.
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                          • #14
                            Hmmm... what say you?

                            Iran tells departed U.S. carrier not to return: IRNA

                            Reuters January 2, 2012

                            TEHRAN, Jan 3 (Reuters) - Iran's army chief told the United States that a U.S. aircraft carrier which left the area because of Iranian naval exercises should not return to the Gulf, the state news agency reported on Tuesday.

                            "Iran will not repeat its warning ... the enemy’s carrier has been moved to the Sea of Oman because of our drill. I recommend and emphasise to the American carrier not to return to the Persian Gulf," Ataollah Salehi told IRNA.

                            © Copyright (c) Reuters

                            Read more: http://www.timescolonist.com/news/Ir...#ixzz1iPIUd2LU

                            ADDITIONAL ARTICLE:
                            Iran warning to U.S. warship sends tensions soaring

                            Agence France January 3, 2012 5:31 AM

                            TEHRAN - Iran's military on Tuesday warned one of the U.S. navy's biggest aircraft carriers to keep away from the Gulf, in an escalating showdown over Tehran's nuclear drive that could pitch into armed confrontation.

                            "We advise and insist that this warship not return to its former base in the Persian Gulf," said Brigadier General Ataollah Salehi, Iran's armed forces chief.

                            "We don't have the intention of repeating our warning, and we warn only once," he was quoted as saying by the armed forces' official website.

                            The ominous message came just after Iran completed 10 days of naval manoeuvres at the entrance to the Gulf to show it could close the strategic oil shipping channel in the Strait of Hormuz if it felt threatened.

                            In the climax of the war games on Monday, Iran test-fired three missiles - including a new cruise missile - designed to sink warships.

                            The aircraft carrier Salehi was referring to was the USS John C. Stennis, one of the US navy's biggest warships. The massive, nuclear-powered vessel transports up to 90 fighter jets and helicopters and is usually escorted by around five destroyers. It is close to finishing its seven-month deployment at sea.

                            The carrier last week passed through the Strait of Hormuz heading east across the Gulf of Oman and through the zone where the Iranian navy was holding its manoeuvres. The US Defence Department called its passage "routine".

                            The potential for an Iran-U.S. conflict sent a shiver through oil markets Tuesday, pushing oil prices up around $2 a barrel.

                            There was no sign of a let-up in the tensions.

                            At the weekend, US President Barack Obama signed into law new sanctions targeting Iran's central bank, which processes most of the Islamic republic's oil export sales.

                            The European Union, which is mulling an embargo on Iranian oil, is expected to announce further sanctions of its own at the end of January.

                            French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe said he was convinced Iran was pursuing nuclear weapons, and he wanted to see "stricter sanctions" applied on Iran.

                            The Western sanctions add to four sets of UN sanctions imposed over Iran's nuclear activities.

                            The United States and many Western nations believe Iran is developing an atomic arsenal.

                            Tehran denies that, saying its nuclear programme is exclusively for energy production and medical isotopes.

                            In a statement to underline progress it has made, Iran's atomic energy organisation said on Sunday its scientists had made the country's first nuclear fuel rod from indigenous uranium.

                            Iran's armed forces chief-of-staff, General Hassan Firouzabadi, added to the defiance by saying Tuesday that the Revolutionary Guards, an elite military force apart from the regular defence services, would soon hold its own naval manoeuvres in the Gulf.

                            Foreign ministry spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast told reporters that "the foreign forces" present in the Gulf - meaning the U.S. Navy - "are against the security of the region."

                            He said Iran's war games underlined his country's commitment to ensuring "stability and security in the region."

                            Despite the increasingly bellicose stand Iran's military was taking, Tehran suggested it was keeping the door open to negotiating with world powers over its nuclear programme.

                            Iran was waiting for EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton to set a date and venue for a meeting to discuss resuming talks that have been stalled for nearly a year, Mehmanparast said.

                            But a spokesman for Ashton shot back immediately that Iran "must first respond" to an October letter from Ashton sent proposing renewed talks, "and then we'll take it from there."

                            The negotiations were being held with the five permanent members of the UN Security Council - Britain, China, France, Russia and the United States, plus non-permanent member Germany.

                            International pressure has already hit Iran's economy by scaring off foreign investors.

                            Iran's currency, the rial, went into a nose dive on Monday, losing 12 percent, after Obama put the new US measures into effect.

                            It recovered on Tuesday when Iran pumped foreign exchange into the market, according to Commerce Minister Mehdi Ghazanfari, quoted by the IRNA news agency.

                            Mehmanparast said the volatility "definitely has nothing to with sanctions."

                            "What's happening with the exchange market has its roots elsewhere," such as domestic movements of capital, he said.

                            © Copyright (c) AFP

                            Read more: http://www.timescolonist.com/news/Ir...#ixzz1iPJ3cOay

                            Hmm I know the JOHN C. STENNIS well enough - at least for a few hours I was aboard her, anyhow, not counting the months that we followed her around the Gulf back in 2001/02.
                            Last edited by MalahatTwo7; 01-03-2012, 09:56 AM.
                            If you don't do it RIGHT today, when will you have time to do it over? (Hall of Fame basketball player/coach John Wooden)

                            "I may be slow, but my work is poor." Chief Dave Balding, MVFD

                            "Its not Rocket Science. Just use a LITTLE imagination." (Me)

                            Get it up. Get it on. Get it done!

                            impossible solved cotidie. miracles postulo viginti - quattuor hora animadverto

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                              I wonder if the Iranians believe that Obama isn't willing to use military force. They must either have their intel heavily censored or is not plain not paying attention.
                              Wouldn't this be a REAL war for oil? No other reason to fight over that strait. None.

                              I suppose it doesn't matter, Obama already got us involved in another (oil-producing) country for no discernible (slash publicly acknowledged) reason, why not make it 2?

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