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  • #61
    Originally posted by doughesson View Post
    No,we improvised,adapted and overcame.Those aforementioned ossifers INCLUDING me own Division officer who should have been saying "My man,right or wrong,he is MY man and not yours to punish" were after me for impersonation,even though I still wore Fireman's stripes(red) while in a Seaman's(white) billet.BTW,guess who sent me?Wasn't the Chief or Leading Petty Officer.
    They couldn't gig me for theft of government property because as soon as the budget did pass,I and the other guy who helped took what we'd gotten from our own ship's allotment back to the ships we'd gotten the supplies from and told them "Here's what we got from y'all back.Thanks much".Besides,I was asking my Div O how he'd like to be up on the highwire with me if I really was facing a court martial.You wouldn't expect a naval officer to back down from an E-3 like that.He knew I wasn't bluffing and that it wasn't an "I wuz only following orders.." defense.
    Yep, that's about how it runs on the Marine side as well, not that I'm saying WE do that mind you, haha.

    As to smaller government,we have to elect representatives who truly believe that and will leave office at the end of their terms instead of staying on for the bennies.Make them have to wait to be eligible for retirement like you and I have to,then we'll see fewer trying to get on the gravy train.
    100% agreed, so how do we do this? I'm all for it brother.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by firefightinirish217 View Post
      Red - That's called "tactically aquiring", not obtaining. So much for honor and integrity right?

      As for the rest of your post, that is why I'm so wholeheartedly disappointed in our govenrment. I mean they have ALL sunk to new lows. Where does it end? Does it end with the American people demanding a smaller, less interfering federal government again? Just wondering.
      It won't end as long as there are groups who believe their slice of the public treasury is worthwhile and everyone else's is pork.

      One of the great paradoxes I observed is how many conservative firefighters would rant and rave about big government and taxes. Ignoring the fact that funding a FD was typically the second largest cost center of most municipality.

      One of my neighbors works for the largest aerospace company in America. He's as conservative as they come. He becomes almost apoplectic when it comes to discussions of big government. When I remind him that he works on a DoD contract and that he is a beneficiary of that which he criticizes he almost starts having seizures. He (like many of the tea partiers) view their benefits from government as good. It's "everyone else" that is stealing from the system. What they don't realize is that "everyone else" views them as "everyone else" as well.
      I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
        It won't end as long as there are groups who believe their slice of the public treasury is worthwhile and everyone else's is pork.

        One of the great paradoxes I observed is how many conservative firefighters would rant and rave about big government and taxes. Ignoring the fact that funding a FD was typically the second largest cost center of most municipality.

        One of my neighbors works for the largest aerospace company in America. He's as conservative as they come. He becomes almost apoplectic when it comes to discussions of big government. When I remind him that he works on a DoD contract and that he is a beneficiary of that which he criticizes he almost starts having seizures. He (like many of the tea partiers) view their benefits from government as good. It's "everyone else" that is stealing from the system. What they don't realize is that "everyone else" views them as "everyone else" as well.
        WTF are you even talking about?!?!?!?

        No one even mentioned the treasurey and the govt. spending too much. What is meant by small federal government sir is the way it used to be, states were left to run things the way they see fit and the federal government staying out of everybody's ****ing business. In case you forgot I work for DoD, and believe me, my salary is nowhere close to breaking the treasury. Hell the Marine Corps probably uses the least money compared to all of the big players in govt.

        We have no need for Senators making 150,000+ a year. That's bull****. And we certainly don't need them making 150,000+ a year while considering **** like the DoD not getting money because they want to argue over the budget in turn possibly causing peope like myself earning a meager salary not getting paid and trying to figure out how to feed my family.
        Last edited by firefightinirish217; 04-13-2011, 03:28 PM.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by firefightinirish217 View Post
          No one even mentioned the treasurey and the govt. spending too much. What is meant by small federal government sir is the way it used to be, states were left to run things the way they see fit and the federal government staying out of everybody's ****ing business. In case you forgot I work for DoD, and believe me, my salary is nowhere close to breaking the treasury. Hell the Marine Corps probably uses the least money compared to all of the big players in govt.
          When you say staying out everybody's business. What do you mean exactly? I know you're salary isn't breaking the bank. I laugh out loud when I read criticisms of the compensation paid to public employees such as police, fire, and teachers. The critics of those professions have this belief those groups are wealthy because of their pay and benefit structure. I've never believed anyone is getting rich working for the government. Yet that is the political reality were are current faced with in our public discourse.

          I can assure you the proponents of small government have your salary in their sights just like everyone else that works for a governmental entity.
          I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
            It won't end as long as there are groups who believe their slice of the public treasury is worthwhile and everyone else's is pork.

            One of the great paradoxes I observed is how many conservative firefighters would rant and rave about big government and taxes. Ignoring the fact that funding a FD was typically the second largest cost center of most municipality.

            One of my neighbors works for the largest aerospace company in America. He's as conservative as they come. He becomes almost apoplectic when it comes to discussions of big government. When I remind him that he works on a DoD contract and that he is a beneficiary of that which he criticizes he almost starts having seizures. He (like many of the tea partiers) view their benefits from government as good. It's "everyone else" that is stealing from the system. What they don't realize is that "everyone else" views them as "everyone else" as well.
            Dang, a valid point. Blind pig and the acorn

            HOWEVER funding the 20% of the budget going to the DOD at least a CONSTITIUTIONAL basis. Unlike 90% of the other spending in the Federal budget.

            Before you start. Can we cut DOD? Yes, Non-warfighting BS. Starting with BREAST CANCER RESEARCH (yep that right). Then ALL EPA directed projects including emissions, all Interior directed projects (mouse, hare, turtle, fishies, etc). Anyone that starts talking about waste, fraud, abuse reform is a lying idiot and charlatan (see photo reference to "my" Iowa Senator Harkin).

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            • #66
              Originally posted by neiowa View Post
              Dang, a valid point. Blind pig and the acorn
              How would you know?

              Originally posted by neiowa View Post
              HOWEVER funding the 20% of the budget going to the DOD at least a CONSTITIUTIONAL basis. Unlike 90% of the other spending in the Federal budget.
              Like what other 90% is unconstitutional. Farmboy continues to reveal he is clueless.
              I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                How would you know?


                Like what other 90% is unconstitutional. Farmboy continues to reveal he is clueless.
                Why's he gotta be a clueless farmboy? I grew up on a farm, what a discriminative remark. Oh I get it, everyone that lives in the country is dumb. I'll remember to let my dad know that since he's a music AND English major. I'll also have to remind myself how dumd I am as well the next time I'm looking at my current college transcript with nothing but 4.0's on it.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by firefightinirish217 View Post
                  Why's he gotta be a clueless farmboy? I grew up on a farm, what a discriminative remark. Oh I get it, everyone that lives in the country is dumb. I'll remember to let my dad know that since he's a music AND English major. I'll also have to remind myself how dumd I am as well the next time I'm looking at my current college transcript with nothing but 4.0's on it.
                  You haven't been here that long. That's my pet nickname for him.

                  He rants about big government and goes apoplectic if someone mentions getting rid of farm subsidies.

                  BTW, I know a lot of smart people who are clueless.
                  I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                    You haven't been here that long. That's my pet nickname for him.

                    He rants about big government and goes apoplectic if someone mentions getting rid of farm subsidies.

                    BTW, I know a lot of smart people who are clueless.
                    Yep, politicians for the most part no doubt, haha. And Mr. Trump too.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                      You haven't been here that long. That's my pet nickname for him.

                      He rants about big government and goes apoplectic if someone mentions getting rid of farm subsidies.

                      BTW, I know a lot of smart people who are clueless.
                      SC also most dumb people are also clueless. In which party are you?

                      And you're, as typcial, confused. Get rid of farm subsidies. Let the markets work. Iowa Republican party tried in the 90s got nowhere with the dems.

                      Never lived on a farm, been a farmer, owned an animal other that a dog/cat. Married a former farm girl. Live in small town, corn fields on 3 sides of me. 2/3of my FF are farmers.

                      The typical farmer here in Northern Iowa is way outside your tiny little socialist world. They run a large very capital intensive business. My asst chief's grain farm it a bit large that average. (I'm guessing) certainly has over $30million in "plant/equipment". Typically annual gross sales of over $6m. Totally at the mercy of weather, gov't stupidity fooling around with the market, and nonproductive leeches speculating/trading of the food they produce. Not my cup of tea.

                      What have you ever done productive?

                      Your, and the other lefties, silly whining farm subsides is as pathetic as the mindless "corp welfare" bleating. I won't claim to be that knowledgeable on the subject but I doubt Sam is paying much if anything out right now. For Corn, I think ends that is when prices reach around $3/bu. Right now corn is close to $8 a bushel. You greenwienies decided we should not drill nasty old oil wells but should pour our food stocks into fuel tanks. Result has been very high prices for corn/beans. Has then driven up price of meat (eat corn). Result has been Inflation, starvation in 3rd world countries. Typical idiotic leftist result of fiddling with free market.

                      History of your farm subsidy. US decided to set the minimum price a farmer would get for food they raise and which FEEDS MOST OF THE WORLD. That is a "Minimum Wage" (which you socialists love) so the farmer can stay in business thru bad years. So there will be food on your store shelf NEXT YEAR. Expensive but so far no food riots as in EURUP, no mass starvation as in Russia many years of the 20th century. You ever had a problem finding food to buy? Overall has actually worked out better than most of the world's solutions for most of the world's population. Not so great for farmers as averaged out their net income to mediocre level across the years comprared to their capital invested.

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                      • #71
                        Cutting Federal Spending

                        They are making this way too complicated. You slash every department, division, branch of government 10% across the board. Everyone feels the pain equally. I have NEVER seen a budget that can't be cut by 10% with relatively little pain since everyone has their budgets padded with all the nice to have items but end up not being necessary to make things happen. I've been doing this budget stuff for many, many, years and I'm telling you it's not that hard. You cut everyone equally 10% and put on your B#ll Sh#t ear plugs.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by neiowa View Post

                          And you're, as typcial, confused. Get rid of farm subsidies. Let the markets work. Iowa Republican party tried in the 90s got nowhere with the dems.
                          Really? So why didn't they try during the first six years of the Bush Administration? Better yet, the GOP had a congressional majority in from 1994 through the end of the Clinton Administration. What legislation did they propose to get rid of ag subsidies that was demanded by the President.

                          Originally posted by neiowa View Post
                          Never lived on a farm, been a farmer, owned an animal other that a dog/cat. Married a former farm girl. Live in small town, corn fields on 3 sides of me. 2/3of my FF are farmers.
                          Good for you.

                          Originally posted by neiowa View Post
                          The typical farmer here in Northern Iowa is way outside your tiny little socialist world. They run a large very capital intensive business. My asst chief's grain farm it a bit large that average. (I'm guessing) certainly has over $30million in "plant/equipment". Typically annual gross sales of over $6m. Totally at the mercy of weather, gov't stupidity fooling around with the market, and nonproductive leeches speculating/trading of the food they produce. Not my cup of tea.
                          I'm betting they cash their very socialist subsidy checks instead of returning them.

                          Originally posted by neiowa View Post
                          What have you ever done productive?
                          A subjective term. Be more specific.

                          Originally posted by neiowa View Post
                          Your, and the other lefties, silly whining farm subsides is as pathetic as the mindless "corp welfare" bleating. I won't claim to be that knowledgeable on the subject but I doubt Sam is paying much if anything out right now. For Corn, I think ends that is when prices reach around $3/bu. Right now corn is close to $8 a bushel. You greenwienies decided we should not drill nasty old oil wells but should pour our food stocks into fuel tanks. Result has been very high prices for corn/beans. Has then driven up price of meat (eat corn). Result has been Inflation, starvation in 3rd world countries. Typical idiotic leftist result of fiddling with free market.
                          Really farmboy? There are no rightie organizations fiddling with the free market? You really are naive.

                          Originally posted by neiowa View Post
                          History of your farm subsidy. US decided to set the minimum price a farmer would get for food they raise and which FEEDS MOST OF THE WORLD. That is a "Minimum Wage" (which you socialists love) so the farmer can stay in business thru bad years. So there will be food on your store shelf NEXT YEAR. Expensive but so far no food riots as in EURUP, no mass starvation as in Russia many years of the 20th century. You ever had a problem finding food to buy? Overall has actually worked out better than most of the world's solutions for most of the world's population. Not so great for farmers as averaged out their net income to mediocre level across the years comprared to their capital invested.
                          I'm aware of the reason. I support them in some manner. I just like conservatives ranting about the big government and excessive spending while their snout is in the trough.
                          I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                            apoplectic
                            Alright, who taught him how to use a thesaurus?

                            Or was that the Huffington word of the day?
                            I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

                            "The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list."

                            "When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water."

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by chiefkn View Post
                              alright, who taught him how to use a thesaurus?

                              Or was that the huffington word of the day?
                              ..............
                              Last edited by firefightinirish217; 04-15-2011, 06:49 AM.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
                                Alright, who taught him how to use a thesaurus?

                                Or was that the Huffington word of the day?
                                I was a medic numbnuts. I realize that type of language isn't understood in chief's circles. It has more than two syllables.
                                I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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