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  • #16
    Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
    How is that Obama's fault?
    Because he's the one that agreed to air ops in Lybia.


    I said the same about Hussein. I was called a traitor for criticizing the president.
    Hmmm, wasn't there for that, so why you bringing that up to argue with me?

    Because news organizations are for profit entities and for some odd reason, that is what the viewing public wants to see.
    Oh well, that's what ****es us off.

    We didn't have the money to get involved in Iraq either. That didn't stop conservatives from supporting the president.
    I don't like republicans either, read above. They all suck. I just think it's so funny that everyone hated Bush so much because of Iraq that they voted in a non-war president that's precariously close to getting us involved in yet another war. It's only a conflict right now, but it could be afull out war soon enough.
    Last edited by firefightinirish217; 03-31-2011, 11:42 PM.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by firefightinirish217 View Post
      Because he's the one that agreed to air ops in Lybia.
      Hmmmm.....so because he ordered air ops in LIBYA, he is also to blame for a lack of spare parts? Ummm...okay.

      Originally posted by firefightinirish217 View Post
      Hmmm, wasn't there for that, so why you bringing that up to argue with me?
      Perspective.


      Originally posted by firefightinirish217 View Post
      Oh well, that's what ****es us off.
      The only news outlet that minimizes the gossip stories is NPR. And conservatives want to get rid of it claiming liberal bias. Yet when pressed for examples of liberal bias, they don't.

      Originally posted by firefightinirish217 View Post
      I don't like republicans either, read above. They all suck. I just think it's so funny that everyone hated Bush so much because of Iraq that they voted in a non-war president that's precariously close to getting us involved in yet another war. It's only a conflict right now, but it could be afull out war soon enough.
      Or maybe it won't.
      I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by FIREMECH1 View Post
        Bottom line, Muammar Gaddafi needs to go.

        FM1
        There are a lot of evil dictators in the world. There is Al-Bashr in Sudan, Kim Jong-Il in North Korea, and thats just for starters. When did it become our problem to bomb each and every country that is ruled by one? Gaddafi is just the tip of the iceberg.

        Just imagine this was the United States in question. A group of citizens rebel, including a small contingent of soldiers and their equipment. They begin attacking government installations with military might and precision. What response would you expect from the US government? Precisely why I feel like we shouldn't have picked sides in the Libyan rebellion, who are we to say who is right, no matter how bad Gaddafi has been?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by scfire86 View Post

          Or maybe it won't.
          You are extremely naive if you think this Libyan operation will only remain an air effort.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
            Hmmmm.....so because he ordered air ops in LIBYA, he is also to blame for a lack of spare parts? Ummm...okay.
            Wow, education where you're from that bad? You seem to have trouble reading don't you. My problem with him is that WE ARE BROKE ALREADY and now he is leading us into yet another conflict that we cannot afford. Hope that cleared it up for you as to what is his fault and what isn't.

            Oh yeah, I never said anything about spare parts, I said REPAIR parts. We're not allowed to just keep spare parts on hand to make repairs.


            Perspective.
            Well, to me it seems that you are accusing me of being one of those that attacked people that didn't agree with the Iraq war. Quite the opposite. I do however get highly offended when a person attacks our military because of said war. That's not fair at all.

            As to how that puts any perspective, as you say, on the discussion at hand, especially between you and me, I have no idea.

            I was in Iraq and quite personally, all of that bickering in the link you posted was quite pointless as we had already invaded, there was no turning back, no just up and leaving and letting the Iraqi people fend for themselves after WE made a huge mess of their country. Is that really where we want to go again with Lybia? That could very well be the scenario that plays out there.

            The only news outlet that minimizes the gossip stories is NPR. And conservatives want to get rid of it claiming liberal bias. Yet when pressed for examples of liberal bias, they don't.
            OK, how about there racist comment towards whites and the Tea Party by one of CEO Vivian Schiller's executives that recently lead to her resignation. Not one bit of a liberal vibe there at all huh? All of the news outlets are the same, they have their own little agendas that are set by the CEO and executives of that company which tend to all be of a sinlge minded unity.

            Or maybe it won't.
            Have you been asleep all of your life? We'll watch and we'll see. I hope I'm wrong, I really do. But still, we can't police every oppressed country in the world. I'm sorry for those people, I really am. But it's time to take care of the American people, not babysit every third world country ruled by a dictator. Why all of a sudden, after nearly twenty years of not bothering Ghadafi, is it so damn important to remove him?

            Hell, you could leave your kid with a total stranger. They might be a pedophile, the might not be, wanna take that chance?
            Last edited by firefightinirish217; 04-01-2011, 12:00 AM.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by mcwops View Post
              There are a lot of evil dictators in the world. There is Al-Bashr in Sudan, Kim Jong-Il in North Korea, and thats just for starters. When did it become our problem to bomb each and every country that is ruled by one? Gaddafi is just the tip of the iceberg.

              Just imagine this was the United States in question. A group of citizens rebel, including a small contingent of soldiers and their equipment. They begin attacking government installations with military might and precision. What response would you expect from the US government? Precisely why I feel like we shouldn't have picked sides in the Libyan rebellion, who are we to say who is right, no matter how bad Gaddafi has been?
              Thank you, pretty much my whole point. Crap like this is what got people ****ed off to begin with and got the terrorist's attention on us to begin with.

              I say if we are directly threatened, and I mean they attacked us in some way or there is undeniable proof that they are planning to attack, then fine, bomb their asses back to the stone age. But if it doesn't concern us, well, maybe we shouldn't be concerned about it.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by mcwops View Post
                There are a lot of evil dictators in the world. There is Al-Bashr in Sudan, Kim Jong-Il in North Korea, and thats just for starters. When did it become our problem to bomb each and every country that is ruled by one? Gaddafi is just the tip of the iceberg.

                Just imagine this was the United States in question. A group of citizens rebel, including a small contingent of soldiers and their equipment. They begin attacking government installations with military might and precision. What response would you expect from the US government? Precisely why I feel like we shouldn't have picked sides in the Libyan rebellion, who are we to say who is right, no matter how bad Gaddafi has been?
                Interesting. During the 80's, conservatives wanted Reagan to bomb Libya into smithereens. Now they openly criticize the president for attempting to do just that.
                I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by firefightinirish217 View Post
                  Wow, education where you're from that bad? You seem to have trouble reading don't you. My problem with him is that WE ARE BROKE ALREADY and now he is leading us into yet another conflict that we cannot afford. Hope that cleared it up for you as to what is his fault and what isn't.
                  We couldn't afford Iraq. That didn't stop conservatives from demanding unconditional support of the president.

                  Originally posted by firefightinirish217 View Post
                  Oh yeah, I never said anything about spare parts, I said REPAIR parts. We're not allowed to just keep spare parts on hand to make repairs.
                  Still not the president's fault.

                  Originally posted by firefightinirish217 View Post
                  Well, to me it seems that you are accusing me of being one of those that attacked people that didn't agree with the Iraq war. Quite the opposite. I do however get highly offended when a person attacks our military because of said war. That's not fair at all.
                  I never attacked the military folks. Though if you read some of the comments on the link I posted you'll see that didn't stop anyone from calling me every unpatriotic name around.

                  Originally posted by firefightinirish217 View Post
                  As to how that puts any perspective, as you say, on the discussion at hand, especially between you and me, I have no idea.
                  Okay.

                  Originally posted by firefightinirish217 View Post
                  I was in Iraq and quite personally, all of that bickering in the link you posted was quite pointless as we had already invaded, there was no turning back, no just up and leaving and letting the Iraqi people fend for themselves after WE made a huge mess of their country. Is that really where we want to go again with Lybia? That could very well be the scenario that plays out there.
                  Or it could turn out for the better.

                  Originally posted by firefightinirish217 View Post
                  OK, how about there racist comment towards whites and the Tea Party by one of CEO Vivian Schiller's executives that recently lead to her resignation. Not one bit of a liberal vibe there at all huh? All of the news outlets are the same, they have their own little agendas that are set by the CEO and executives of that company which tend to all be of a sinlge minded unity.
                  Via heavily edited video. Also, do you believe individuals aren't allowed to have personal opinions? Can you point to a story where this individual injected his personal bias?

                  Originally posted by firefightinirish217 View Post
                  Have you been asleep all of your life? We'll watch and we'll see. I hope I'm wrong, I really do. But still, we can't police every oppressed country in the world. I'm sorry for those people, I really am. But it's time to take care of the American people, not babysit every third world country ruled by a dictator. Why all of a sudden, after nearly twenty years of not bothering Ghadafi, is it so damn important to remove him?
                  I asked that question about Hussein.

                  Originally posted by firefightinirish217 View Post
                  Hell, you could leave your kid with a total stranger. They might be a pedophile, the might not be, wanna take that chance?
                  My kids are grown. What's your point?
                  I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by mcwops View Post
                    You are extremely naive if you think this Libyan operation will only remain an air effort.
                    Could you please detail for us your crystal ball? Your argument is a hypothetical.
                    I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by firefightinirish217 View Post
                      Edited because I consider FIREMECH a close friend on here and I don't see the need to argue when there is no right or wrong. It's my opinion and his opinion. I think we shouldn't be there, he does, oh well. I'll agree to disagree if you do brother.
                      Honestly, I'd rather we were not involved. I'd rather see the 3rd world countries take care of their own, but they won't. They support the ousting of him, but don't want to ruffle the feathers of their "brothers". Chicken schit is what I call it. Make us look like the bad guys, yet approve of our involvement. pfffht

                      Originally posted by firefightinirish217 View Post
                      But a couple of points that I have to clear up.

                      First, the 26th MEU was operating off of Pakistan on a humanitarian mission that was part of their tour. Kinda not very close to Lybia at all. They were only called to Lybia within this past month to join in operations in Lybia, so again, I stand by my comment that they brought in the MEU for more than just rescue missions. I might be wrong, but with Obama already giving the go for covert operations it kinda leads up to ground pounders going in eventually. But I never said they were already on the ground.
                      The only clandestine operations on the ground is from CIA agents working covert. The ground strength of the 26th MEU is small aboard the ships. They would need to send in more companies for any ground assault. That is not in the works for now. Obama's "trying" to hold the high ground by not implementing ground forces, that is why it isn't in a full strength MEU assault position. Same with the 22nd MEU to take over, small attachment of ground
                      forces. Hopefully, the GCE's won't be needed for their primary role.

                      I don't know what you edited from you to me, originally. Doesn't matter. But know that I also consider you a Brother, and a friend.

                      FM1
                      I'm the one Fire and Rescue calls, when they need to be Rescued.

                      Originally posted by EastKyFF
                      "Firemens gets antsies. Theys wants to goes to fires. Sometimeses they haves to waits."

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                        Could you please detail for us your crystal ball? Your argument is a hypothetical.
                        Its called history. No "No-Fly Zone" operation has ever ended without ground operations. Even with our bombings, the rebels continue to lose ground to the Libyan government. At some point, we will either have to give up and leave, or put troops on the ground to assist the rebels.

                        You mentioned conservatives supporting bombing Libya 30 years ago, and not wanting to do it now makes them hypocrits. Ok fine, valid point. But what does that make the Democrats who openly criticized the last administration on Iraq and Afganistan, including sacred Obama, and promised to bring our troops home if elected in 2008. Three years later, they get us involved in a 3rd "non-war". Bush had 17 UN resolutions and the support of the majority of Congress to enter Iraq. Obama had 1 UN resolution, and never even consulted Congress. I would say "pot meet kettle" at this point, but I wouldn't want to appear to be making a black joke and be called a racist.

                        My belief is it should take a declaration of war by Congress to allow our military to bomb and attack another country, something that hasn't been done since World War II. Every conflict we have been involved in since then has simply been a half assed skirmish that our military has had to fight with one hand tied behind their back. It has become an easy out for our politicians, to start wars, without being forced to call it one.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by FIREMECH1 View Post
                          I don't know what you edited from you to me, originally. Doesn't matter. But know that I also consider you a Brother, and a friend.

                          FM1
                          Just a stupidly long drawn out arguement. It wasn't worth it brother. And I take your point on the MEU's size.

                          Group hug?!?

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                            We couldn't afford Iraq. That didn't stop conservatives from demanding unconditional support of the president.
                            Oh really, only conservatives? I do remember one high profile demo-rat that went right along with them by the name of Hillary Rodham Clinton, among so many more.

                            Still not the president's fault.
                            Never said it was, how about we stick to the facts as they are. I never said it was Obama's fault that we have no money to get parts. Was I stated was that he shouldn't be getting us involved in yet another middle eastern conflict when we're already broke.

                            I never attacked the military folks. Though if you read some of the comments on the link I posted you'll see that didn't stop anyone from calling me every unpatriotic name around.
                            Never said you did either. In fact, I never once attacked you for your beliefs about Iraq, I never even posted on that thread. I'm sorry that paople ganged up on you on that thread and you were gang raped and you're still butt hurt from it. Get over it, that thread has nothing to do with the discussion here so stop bringing it up and bitching about it.

                            Or it could turn out for the better.
                            **** in one hand and hope in the other and see which one fills up the fastest. We see what Obama's hope has gotten us so far.

                            Via heavily edited video. Also, do you believe individuals aren't allowed to have personal opinions? Can you point to a story where this individual injected his personal bias?
                            So, I assume you have PROOF that it was heavily edited? I believe everyone has a right to a personal opinion. But when that personal opinion crosses the line to discrimination, that makes it a problem. Let someone make a comment like that about a minority and see what happens. And yeah, the story was on every news network there was, both liberal and conservative.

                            I asked that question about Hussein.
                            Ok, I see your point now. If Iraq was wrong we'll go somewhere else we don't belong to make another wrong and it'll make everything right. Because we all kow two wrongs make a right don't they.

                            My kids are grown. What's your point?
                            If you are so dense that you didn't get the point then I refuse to explain it to you as if you were a child. Figure out like a big boy.
                            Last edited by firefightinirish217; 04-01-2011, 11:28 AM.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by firefightinirish217 View Post
                              Oh really, only conservatives? I do remember one high profile demo-rat that went right along with them by the name of Hillary Rodham Clinton, among so many more.
                              As a member of the minority party.
                              Originally posted by firefightinirish217 View Post
                              **** in one hand and hope in the other and see which one fills up the fastest. We see what Obama's hope has gotten us so far.
                              I remember hearing conservatives say the same thing during the Balkans Campaign in the 90's. Refresh our memories of the number of casualties during the military operation.

                              Originally posted by firefightinirish217 View Post
                              So, I assume you have PROOF that it was heavily edited? I believe everyone has a right to a personal opinion. But when that personal opinion crosses the line to discrimination, that makes it a problem. Let someone make a comment like that about a minority and see what happens. And yeah, the story was on every news network there was, both liberal and conservative.
                              Here's one of many articles. But for more information click here. You finish your article with a hypothetical.


                              Originally posted by firefightinirish217 View Post
                              Ok, I see your point now. If Iraq was wrong we'll go somewhere else we don't belong to make another wrong and it'll make everything right. Because we all kow two wrongs make a right don't they.
                              Said no such thing. Stop dissolving into fantasy.


                              Originally posted by firefightinirish217 View Post
                              If you are so dense that you didn't get the point then I refuse to explain it to you as if you were a child. Figure out like a big boy.
                              Wow. Finishes with a pejorative. You really showed me.
                              I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                                As a member of the minority party.
                                But agreed none the less.

                                I remember hearing conservatives say the same thing during the Balkans Campaign in the 90's. Refresh our memories of the number of casualties during the military operation.
                                They said something about Obama's campaign of hope? Now we have fortune tellers in the government, damn.

                                Here's one of many articles. But for more information click here. You finish your article with a hypothetical.
                                Hypothetical nothing, it's a fact. Hapens all the time, I would quote you articles, but you're a big boy, if ts such a big deal, you look it up.

                                Said no such thing. Stop dissolving into fantasy.
                                See, ****es you off when someone turns your words around, but you have no problem doing that to others do you.


                                Wow. Finishes with a pejorative. You really showed me.
                                No, I told you. Had I shown you I would have printed out a pretty little picture for you since you obviously have problems with reading. Nothing pejorative at all, merely stating a fact that you couldn't figure out the analogy on your own. But if you insist, cry some more, it'll get me used to that little baby that'll be here in September. See, now that was pejorative.
                                Last edited by firefightinirish217; 04-01-2011, 02:58 PM.

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