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  • #16
    Originally posted by Jasper 45 View Post
    Hopefully this has been a huge wake up call for all politicians. It was only two years ago that there was sweeping “change” to knock the Republicans out of office. If these politicians haven’t learned, there will once again be sweeping change in 2012.
    I would like to think that the American voter has decided to become smarter and throw those out of office who don’t listen to them.
    Time will tell, but that is what I would like to think came out of all of this.
    Between the two "Big Democrat" in 2006 & 2008, and the Republican landslide this time around. The number of incumbents that have a long track record is dwindling. The electorate wants to see work getting done, and they want to see that their officials are listening to them.

    With so many new faces (serving 6 years or less) in 2012, they have to work very hard in the next 2 years to show that they can make a positive impact for the average voter. They won't be able to sit on a long laundry list of accomplishments from 10-20 years back to rely on. There is little loyalty now, and politicians have to earn their chance to get reelected.
    "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin

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    • #17
      Originally posted by neiowa View Post
      "We" being those of your leftist obamarxist bent.


      Perhaps our resident socialists can explain how a state elects Jerry Brown (AGAIN), Babba Boxer, and Pelosi and against legalizing pot. They majority were obvoiusly inhaling at the polls perhaps they didn't understand the question.
      Because the alternatives were worse.
      They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

      I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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      • #18
        I love tea partiers. They are angry. Medicare, Social Security, crop subsidies, Every single one of them was that exceptional Republican who did protest the spending in the Bush years, and not one of them is the hypocrite who only took to the streets when a Democratic president launched an emergency stimulus program. The average Tea Partier is sincerely against government spending — with the exception of the money spent on them. In fact, their lack of embarrassment when it comes to collecting government largesse is key to undestanding the movement. I know a man who has an anti Obama bumpersticker on his car all the while being an executive for a construction company that has received almost $300M in contracts from the Stimulus Bill. Some of the staunchest anti big government and anti tax people I’ve met worked for the Boeing Corporation on government contracts.

        A key example is Rand Paul. Early in his campaign, Dr. Paul denounced Medicare as “socialized medicine.” But this spring, when confronted with the idea of reducing Medicare payments to doctors like himself — half of his patients are on Medicare — he balked. This candidate, a man ostensibly so against government power in all its forms that he wants to gut the Americans With Disabilities Act and abolish the departments of Education and Energy, was unwilling to reduce his own government compensation, for a very logical reason. “Physicians,” he said, “should be allowed to make a comfortable living.”

        I predict what few elements of the movement aren’t yet under the control of the Republican Party soon will be, and even if a few genuine Tea Party candidates sneak through, it’s only a matter of time before the uprising as a whole gets castrated, just like every grass roots movement does in this country. Its leaders will be bought off and sucked into the two-party bureaucracy, where its platform will be whittled down until the only things left are those that the GOP’s campaign contributors want anyway: top-bracket tax breaks, free trade and financial deregulation. The rest of it — the sweeping cuts to federal spending, the clampdown on bailouts, the rollback of Roe v. Wade — will die on the vine as one Tea Party leader after another gets seduced by the Republican Party and retrained for the revolutionary cause of voting down taxes for Goldman Sachs executives.

        So will those same tea partiers who are outraged over excessive spending be outraged when spending isn't curtailed? Will they hold those individuals accountable? What is the timeframe before they start frothing like they did days after the Stimulus Bill was enacted?

        They've been played for suckers.
        Last edited by scfire86; 11-04-2010, 02:02 AM.
        They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

        I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by LaFireEducator View Post
          We take the house.

          We take the majority of the Governor's races.

          We turn state legislatures that haven't been Republican since the 1800's.

          The Senate would have been nice, but 3 out of 4 ain't bad.

          Now it's our turn to make change happen. Thank God.
          You're funny. Don't change. Where was all the change when the GOP controlled congress for 12 years with six of those having a GOP in the White House.

          Now you want us to believe they've seen the light?

          How long will you wait until you hold them accountable for not getting rid of the programs (Social Security, Medicare, Prescription Drugs (passed by GOP) etc) you and the other tea partiers consider socialist?
          Last edited by scfire86; 11-04-2010, 02:18 AM.
          They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

          I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
            I love tea partiers. They are angry. Medicare, Social Security, crop subsidies, Every single one of them was that exceptional Republican who did protest the spending in the Bush years, and not one of them is the hypocrite
            .........................I cut off just to save page space.......................
            Will they hold those individuals accountable? What is the timeframe before they start frothing like they did days after the Stimulus Bill was enacted?

            They've been played for suckers.
            Well put SC.

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            • #21
              The American political system became screwed up when it went from a public servant position to a career. That probably happened, oh I don't know, around 1778.

              I hate this party this and that party that, my parties is the best and your party should be drawn and quartered.

              Whether anyone wants to admit it, the truth is we need all kinds of different parties, people and opinions in the government. We have seen what happens when there is a single force in charge in Washington. Our government was suppose to be designed so that that kind of situation could not occur. So first thing to do is fix that flaw. In the Houses we need moderates and extremist but they must balance each other out. If we had nothing but a bunch of extreme leftist or rightist in the government our society would crumble.

              As for the biggest point of this election, it boils down to jobs. I am not sure any party can fix this right now. Tax breaks for businesses will only work if there is a demand on those businesses to put facilities in the US. Stop giving tax breaks for reduced pollutions when the only thing the corporation did was shutdown the plant in the US and moved it to Korea. Sure that reduced pollutions but it is killing us in other ways.

              What we can do right now is keep a sharp eye on our newly elected politicians. If they screw up or do something that is not helping the country we need to let them know.

              We also can do one more thing as firefighters. If you buy a product for your FD, especially under an AFG, do everything you can to buy American.

              Oh yeah, BAN EARMARKS!

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              • #22
                Originally posted by MarcusKspn View Post
                Departments should get the funding they need, from the people they serve.
                Quite true. SAFER and FIRE Act grants are stupid. Your local community should be the one paying for staffing, not me.

                Stop sucking at the tit of the Federal government, adding to the growing debt. Demand that your local elected officials do what they were elected to do.....act in the best interest of their citizenry - if that means taxes go up, then they go up.

                Stop passing the source of your funding up the governmental ladder. Why should I, in Massachusetts, pay for your staffing and equipment in Colorado, Florida, Missouri, or wherever?
                "Too many people spend money they haven't earned, to buy things they don't want, to impress people they don't like." Will Rogers

                The borrower is slave to the lender. Proverbs 22:7 - Debt free since 10/5/2009.

                "No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session." - New York Judge Gideon Tucker

                "As Americans we must always remember that we all have a common enemy, an enemy that is dangerous, powerful and relentless. I refer, of course, to the federal government." - Dave Barry

                www.daveramsey.com www.clarkhoward.com www.heritage.org

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                • #23
                  Budget Cuts

                  I know how the Federal Government can cut two Billion dollars from the budget right today.
                  Cancel Obama’s huge 10 day $200,000,000 a day junket to India with 40 airplanes, three helicopters, 6 limos and 3,000 people.
                  Worst conspicuous consumption since King Louis XIV of France.
                  Obama is breaking the back of the American Tax Payer.

                  He is spending OUR money like a drunken sailor.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by donethat View Post
                    I know how the Federal Government can cut two Billion dollars from the budget right today.
                    Cancel Obama’s huge 10 day $200,000,000 a day junket to India with 40 airplanes, three helicopters, 6 limos and 3,000 people.
                    Worst conspicuous consumption since King Louis XIV of France.
                    Obama is breaking the back of the American Tax Payer.

                    He is spending OUR money like a drunken sailor.
                    You have something to prove this story? Or is this more blind hatred for Obama using a wildly exaggerated figure?
                    They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

                    I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                      You have something to prove this story? Or is this more blind hatred for Obama using a wildly exaggerated figure?
                      It's all over the internet, including references to it US, UK, and even Indian print media.

                      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...ured-cars.html

                      http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/us...ai-visit-64106

                      I'll gladly eat crow if there's proof that shows this is an inaccurate figure.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
                        It's all over the internet, including references to it US, UK, and even Indian print media.

                        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...ured-cars.html

                        http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/us...ai-visit-64106

                        I'll gladly eat crow if there's proof that shows this is an inaccurate figure.
                        Start eating.
                        They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

                        I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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                        • #27
                          The difference between not wanting to spend $200 mil a day to support a trip to India for President Barack Hussein Obama is far different than the "blind hatred" shown to George Walker Bush just because he wasn't a liberal.
                          I have seen news stories about the cost of the latest junket on Yahoo,FOX News,CBS and NBC so I am going to consider "this myth confirmed,Mr Hynemann."
                          Back to our regularly scheduled programming,the Founding Fathers did NOT want to see career politicians staying in office until they were carried out under a blanket.
                          They wanted people who would serve the people who elected them on the grounds that "someone has to drive".They wouldn't vote themselves special privileges not afforded to the general public but would remain ordinary citizens who would return to where they came from before being elected or choose to establish another home elsewhere but would live under the laws which they helped to pass while in office with no "Get Out of Jail Free" cards.
                          That is a far cry from the system that we have now,with lawyers passing laws and not one hesitation about conflict of interest being shown.Politicians being able to duck certain questions because of national interest concerns when he is being questioned about a private affair he had come to mind.

                          Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                          You have something to prove this story? Or is this more blind hatred for Obama using a wildly exaggerated figure?

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                            Start eating.
                            Thanks for the link.

                            For the sake of argument, let's say that the daily cost is only 5% of the reported figure - $10,000,000. It doesn't take a Rhodes scholar to understand that's a $100,000,000 trip.

                            I fully understand that trips abroad for various goodwill and political missions are required, but at what cost?
                            Career Fire Captain
                            Volunteer Chief Officer


                            Never taking for granted that I'm privileged enough to have the greatest job in the world!

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
                              Thanks for the link.

                              For the sake of argument, let's say that the daily cost is only 5% of the reported figure - $10,000,000. It doesn't take a Rhodes scholar to understand that's a $100,000,000 trip.

                              I fully understand that trips abroad for various goodwill and political missions are required, but at what cost?
                              Until you have something verifiable your comment is speculative. In case you weren't paying attention, Obama isn't the first president to travel abroad.

                              Were you as equally concerned about the cost when Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Reagan were travelling abroad?

                              Amazing about the sudden concern for taxpayer dollars that occurs when a Dem is in office. They are supposed to do without. Yet nothing is heard when a GOP is the man. We don't know the cost of other presidents and their travels. A little perspective might be in order before you make accusations of extravagance.
                              Last edited by scfire86; 11-04-2010, 01:04 PM.
                              They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

                              I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by doughesson View Post
                                The difference between not wanting to spend $200 mil a day to support a trip to India for President Barack Hussein Obama is far different than the "blind hatred" shown to George Walker Bush just because he wasn't a liberal.
                                So because one group did it, that makes it okay for the other.

                                Originally posted by doughesson View Post
                                I have seen news stories about the cost of the latest junket on Yahoo,FOX News,CBS and NBC so I am going to consider "this myth confirmed,Mr Hynemann."
                                Good thing you're not an attorney. You'd starve. So much for the myth of the liberal media protecting Obama.

                                Originally posted by doughesson View Post
                                Back to our regularly scheduled programming,the Founding Fathers did NOT want to see career politicians staying in office until they were carried out under a blanket.
                                Are we the same nation we were back then or has America changed?

                                Originally posted by doughesson View Post
                                They wanted people who would serve the people who elected them on the grounds that "someone has to drive".They wouldn't vote themselves special privileges not afforded to the general public but would remain ordinary citizens who would return to where they came from before being elected or choose to establish another home elsewhere but would live under the laws which they helped to pass while in office with no "Get Out of Jail Free" cards.
                                You should read the Washington Expense Account. Your perception of the Founding Fathers is based upon the mythology you learned in grade school and isn't even close to the reality of the lives they led.

                                Excerpt:

                                In George Washington's Expense Account -- the best-selling expense account in history -- Kitman shows how Washington brilliantly turned his noble gesture of refusing payment for his services as commander in chief of the Continental Army into an opportunity to indulge his insatiable lust for fine food and drink, extravagant clothing, and lavish accommodations. In a close analysis of the document that financed our Revolution, Kitman uncovers more scandals than you can shake a Nixon Cabinet member at -- and serves each up with verve and wit.
                                You may not like it. There are very few pictures.

                                Originally posted by doughesson View Post
                                That is a far cry from the system that we have now,with lawyers passing laws and not one hesitation about conflict of interest being shown.Politicians being able to duck certain questions because of national interest concerns when he is being questioned about a private affair he had come to mind.
                                And you're point? We keep re-electing them. I for one don't like term limits. If someone is doing a good job I have the power of term limits in my vote. I guess that makes me the only one here who believes in freedom and liberty.

                                Maybe you weren't paying attention, but a bunch of incumbents lost their jobs last Tuesday.
                                Last edited by scfire86; 11-04-2010, 01:00 PM.
                                They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

                                I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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