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  • #16
    Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
    Nice....more rantings that lack any basis in any fact.
    Did you miss Obama's first European tour? Time to stop drinking the kool-aid buddy.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by mcwops View Post
      Did you miss Obama's first European tour? Time to stop drinking the kool-aid buddy.
      Europe is in Japan now? I'm confused
      So you call this your free country
      Tell me why it costs so much to live
      -3dd

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      • #18
        Originally posted by voyager9 View Post
        Europe is in Japan now? I'm confused
        I am referring to Obama's tour of Europe immediately after entering office. The one where he went to Turkey and other Muslim nations and publicly apologized for the wrongs America has committed. That is not a rant, that is a fact. This deal in Japan, is just more of the same.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
          http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...599873634.html

          Excerpt from the article:



          Seems harmless, unless you understand the history of World War II and Japan's role in it. Then it should make you mad.
          It burns my arz to no end Ken.

          The heck with them. Read the history of that empire and how they treated other countries and how they treated the POW's from the US during the war.

          As President Truman had said when asked about dropping the bomb on them, "The He.l with the J..s!!!


          Likwise the he.l with sobamma too.
          Stay Safe and Well Out There....

          Always remembering 9-11-2001 and 343+ Brothers

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          • #20
            Not long ago,someone sent me some pictures of Hiroshima.
            Maybe I got the wool pulled over my eyes and someone doctored the pictures but it sure looked like a thriving metropolis to me.If there was a problem with radiation,it sure wasn't from an atomic bomb because the place was paved,well modernized and lit up enough to hurt your eyes to look at.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by doughesson View Post
              Not long ago,someone sent me some pictures of Hiroshima.
              Maybe I got the wool pulled over my eyes and someone doctored the pictures but it sure looked like a thriving metropolis to me.If there was a problem with radiation,it sure wasn't from an atomic bomb because the place was paved,well modernized and lit up enough to hurt your eyes to look at.
              At the end of the war Hiroshima and Nagasaki looked like dozens of other Japanese cities. Razed to the ground with tens of thousands of civilian casualties. The difference was the former were razed with one bomb whereas Tokyo and the other cities were burned to the ground in huge multiple B-29 formation incendiary raids. The results were the same. The positive to the two A-Bomb missions, no planes or crews were lost. On a typical mass formation mission it was common to lose 20 - 30 planes and crews in a mission. There were crews of 10 on the B-29's. We were losing 200 -300 men on a typical mission. So the A-Bombs saved American bomber crews as well.
              Thank You Mr. Truman for having the wherewithal to save more American lives.
              We owe no apology to Japan for anything about the war.
              Last edited by donethat; 08-06-2010, 04:15 PM.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by mcwops View Post
                Did you miss Obama's first European tour? Time to stop drinking the kool-aid buddy.
                Did he say something that wasn't true? What specifically did he say that made you feel bad or angry? More importantly, is that the biggest worry in your life?

                Would you rather he be arrogant and tell the rest of the world to F-off the US can do what it damn well pleases?

                BTW, I like kool-aid. Especially the cherry flavor.

                Yumm...
                They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

                I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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                • #23
                  America owes the world nothing in my opinion, and we don't need a leader running around the world apologizing on our behalf. Obama was and is too unexperienced and naive about the world to be a leader.

                  He thinks he can solve all the world's problems by bending over to other country's demands. He has never had a real job in his entire life. He went to law school on the government's dime, spent some time being a "community organizer" (which I have found means unemployed person who protests stuff), then gets elected to state legislature, the senate, and the white house in just a matter of years.

                  Shockingly, I favored Obama over Hillary, not that I voted for either. But his actions since being elected have left me with a sick feeling in my stomach every day. His four years won't be over soon enough.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by mcwops View Post
                    America owes the world nothing in my opinion, and we don't need a leader running around the world apologizing on our behalf. Obama was and is too unexperienced and naive about the world to be a leader.
                    None of which is happening in the real world. His critics would be criticizing him no matter what he does. Good to know you're an arrogant American. I'm not unhappy with the manner in which Obama has performed from a foreign policy perspective. His critics complain but can't point to anything substantive in terms of wrongdoing. Face it, you have blind hatred for him.

                    Originally posted by mcwops View Post
                    He thinks he can solve all the world's problems by bending over to other country's demands. He has never had a real job in his entire life. He went to law school on the government's dime, spent some time being a "community organizer" (which I have found means unemployed person who protests stuff), then gets elected to state legislature, the senate, and the white house in just a matter of years.
                    And how do you know what he's thinking? Are you a mind reader? As far as his not having a real job. What makes him different than his opponent. McCain served in the Navy and then got elected to congress. He's lived off the taxpayer dole his whole life. He enjoys a significantly lavish lifestyle (his loafers cost over $500 and owns numerous homes) because he divorced his first wife (great family values guy) and married an heiress. Albeit one who controls a beer distributorship. Gawd love her. What's wrong with going to law school utilizing government grants? Why do you consider education to be a negative? Is education different or better when daddy pays for it like "W"? In case you didn't know, McCain also went to college on the taxpayer dime. You may not know that about the US Navel Academy, it is a 100% federally funded institution with minimal if any out of pocket expenses for the students.

                    Originally posted by mcwops View Post
                    Shockingly, I favored Obama over Hillary, not that I voted for either. But his actions since being elected have left me with a sick feeling in my stomach every day. His four years won't be over soon enough.
                    So it doesn't really matter since you wouldn't have voted for the Dem regardless.

                    Like Gore supporters who complained when Bush won, you're now a sore loser.
                    Last edited by scfire86; 08-06-2010, 07:28 PM.
                    They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

                    I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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                    • #25
                      Remember, more than twice as many people killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were killed in the bomb raids that Gen. Curtis Lemay ordered.

                      It took one bomb on Hiroshima and an estimated 70,000 immediately killed.

                      Then another 3 days before another 70,000 people were killed.

                      Then another 6 days before the Japanese actually surrendered.

                      And all the namby-pamby bleeding hearts that say that Japan was about to surrender are full of it. Otherwise the plans for Operation Downfall would not have been really pushed into overdrive after the fall of Okinawa.

                      Hell, 6,822 Marines and Sailors killed, another 19,217 wounded in 35 days of combat invading a 4 mile long island. Recall that only 216 Japanese were captured of an estimated 18,000+ on the island.

                      On Okinawa we lost 12,513 killed and another 72,012 wounded in 2.5 months of combat.

                      And people can honestly look at you in the face and say they were ready to surrender? They are full of crap.

                      No apologies until the Japanese apologize to the Koreans, Philipinos, Chinese, Vietnames, Burmese, Canadians, Dutch, Australians, British, and the United States for invaded, beating, torturing, imprisoning, raping, killing, and all other manner of horific actions they performed from 1937 on.

                      Then we might consider it. But don't count on it.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by DaSharkie View Post
                        Remember, more than twice as many people killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were killed in the bomb raids that Gen. Curtis Lemay ordered.

                        It took one bomb on Hiroshima and an estimated 70,000 immediately killed.

                        Then another 3 days before another 70,000 people were killed.

                        Then another 6 days before the Japanese actually surrendered.

                        And all the namby-pamby bleeding hearts that say that Japan was about to surrender are full of it. Otherwise the plans for Operation Downfall would not have been really pushed into overdrive after the fall of Okinawa.

                        Hell, 6,822 Marines and Sailors killed, another 19,217 wounded in 35 days of combat invading a 4 mile long island. Recall that only 216 Japanese were captured of an estimated 18,000+ on the island.

                        On Okinawa we lost 12,513 killed and another 72,012 wounded in 2.5 months of combat.

                        And people can honestly look at you in the face and say they were ready to surrender? They are full of crap.

                        No apologies until the Japanese apologize to the Koreans, Philipinos, Chinese, Vietnames, Burmese, Canadians, Dutch, Australians, British, and the United States for invaded, beating, torturing, imprisoning, raping, killing, and all other manner of horific actions they performed from 1937 on.

                        Then we might consider it. But don't count on it.
                        I agree with everything you. Sit down now before you faint.

                        What I have stated is that Obama is expressing concern for the victims, but he doesn't express regret over the decision.

                        His critics with blind hatred of him hear things that aren't being said.

                        They would rather he say, "Team America, F*** YA."
                        They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

                        I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                          I agree with everything you. Sit down now before you faint.

                          What I have stated is that Obama is expressing concern for the victims, but he doesn't express regret over the decision.

                          His critics with blind hatred of him hear things that aren't being said.

                          They would rather he say, "Team America, F*** YA."
                          The symbolism of the American Ambassador's presence is much more damning then what Obama has stated is the reason for his actual presence.
                          I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by MarcusKspn View Post
                            Call me a bleeding heart, but I firmly believe that civilians who died that day are victims. They are not victims of an attack by the United States, don't get me wrong there. They are victims of their leaders refusal to surender, and their push to keep this war going at all costs.
                            Agreed. There is nothing wrong with finally acknowledging that people died and suffered in Hiroshima and Nakasaki. Death and suffering are a part of war. There is no shame in commemorating that.
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                              I agree. No where in the statement does Obama express regret over bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

                              I'm not surprised those who have blind hatred for Obama are trying to see something that isn't there.
                              Bingo!
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by DeputyMarshal View Post
                                Agreed. There is nothing wrong with finally acknowledging that people died and suffered in Hiroshima and Nakasaki. Death and suffering are a part of war. There is no shame in commemorating that.
                                You realize that no Japanese government figure has EVER attended a Pearl Harbor remembrance... never.

                                Oh and that when they teach their children about WWII, it's mostly focused on the nuclear bombs and not on the wicked brutality committed by the Japanese...
                                I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

                                "The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list."

                                "When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water."

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