Leader

Collapse

Announcement

Collapse

Firehouse.com Forum Rules & Guidelines

Forum Rules & Guidelines

Not Permitted or Tolerated:
• Advertising and/or links of commercial, for-profit websites, products, and/or services is not permitted. If you have a need to advertise on Firehouse.com please contact sales@firehouse.com
• Fighting/arguing
• Cyber-bullying
• Swearing
• Name-calling and/or personal attacks
• Spamming
• Typing in all CAPS
• “l33t speak” - Substituting characters for letters in an effort to represent a word or phrase. (example: M*****ive)
• Distribution of another person’s personal information, regardless of whether or not said information is public knowledge and whether or not an individual has permission to post said personal information
• Piracy advocation of any kind
• Racist, sexual, hate type defamatory, religious, political, or sexual commentary.
• Multiple forum accounts

Forum Posting Guidelines:

Posts must be on-topic, non-disruptive and relevant to the firefighting community. Post only in a mature and responsible way that contributes to the discussion at hand. Posting relevant information, helpful suggestions and/or constructive criticism is a great way to contribute to the community.

Post in the correct forum and have clear titles for your threads.

Please post in English or provide a translation.

There are moderators and admins who handle these forums with care, do not resort to self-help, instead please utilize the reporting option. Be mature and responsible for yourself and your posts. If you are offended by another member utilize the reporting option. All reported posts will be addressed and dealt with as deemed appropriate by Firehouse.com staff.

Firehouse.com Moderation Process:
Effective immediately, the following moderation process will take effect. User(s) whose posts are determined by Firehouse.com staff to be in violation of any of the rules above will EARN the following reprimand(s) in the moderation process:
1. An initial warning will be issued.
2. A Final Warning will be issued if a user is found to be in violation a second time.
3. A 3-day suspension will be issued if the user continues to break the forum rules.
4. A 45-day suspension will be issued if the user is found to be a habitual rule breaker.
5. Habitual rule breakers that have exhausted all of the above will receive a permanent life-time ban that will be strictly enforced. Reinstatement will not be allowed – there is no appeal process.

Subsequent accounts created in an effort to side-step the rules and moderation process are subject to automatic removal without notice. Firehouse.com reserves the right to expedite the reprimand process for any users as it is deemed necessary. Any user in the moderation process may be required to review and agree to by email the terms and conditions listed above before their account is re-instated (except for those that are banned).

Firehouse.com reserves the right to edit and/or remove any post or member, at any time, for any reason without notice. Firehouse.com also reserves the right to warn, suspend, and/or ban, any member, at any time, for any reason.

Firehouse.com values the active participation we have in our forums. Please ensure your posts are tasteful and tactful. Thank you very much for your cooperation.
See more
See less

Pelosi blames Bush administration for BP oil spill.

Collapse
This topic is closed.
X
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
    Only if one believes that one side is superior in performance or efficiency than the other. Which they aren't.

    Recent history has shown the enthusiasm the private sector has for socializing losses by demanding bailouts from the taxpayer.

    The price tags for which only seem to be increasing.
    As opposed to hundreds of years of the Government proving it cannot control anything, is inefficient, is corrupt, and is lead by greedy and unethical people. The most recent economic crash is living proof. As is the lack of a plan and response to an oil spill. The Exxon Valdez oil spill occurred 21 years ago. In 21 years the Government did absolutely nothing to prepare for such an event. And instead of being an enabler they have been an obstruction. Red Tape and bureaucracy have gotten in the way of those most affected in their efforts to contain the spill. By day 3 it could be seen this was going to be bad. At that time the Administration should have called in every resource available along with the brightest minds. There should have been phone calls to the Dutch, British, Saudis, you name.

    As for the bailouts, blame your legislative leaders. They should have just said NO. There are constitutionally mandated bankruptcy laws for just this purpose.

    Comment


    • Originally posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
      As opposed to hundreds of years of the Government proving it cannot control anything, is inefficient, is corrupt, and is lead by greedy and unethical people. The most recent economic crash is living proof. As is the lack of a plan and response to an oil spill. The Exxon Valdez oil spill occurred 21 years ago. In 21 years the Government did absolutely nothing to prepare for such an event. And instead of being an enabler they have been an obstruction. Red Tape and bureaucracy have gotten in the way of those most affected in their efforts to contain the spill. By day 3 it could be seen this was going to be bad. At that time the Administration should have called in every resource available along with the brightest minds. There should have been phone calls to the Dutch, British, Saudis, you name.

      As for the bailouts, blame your legislative leaders. They should have just said NO. There are constitutionally mandated bankruptcy laws for just this purpose.
      This is funny stuff idiotboy. Even for you. And that's saying quite a bit. You make all these claims about government then cite two examples of failings done by private entities.

      Then you go on to state government (an entity you claim is corrupt and unethical) should have had the best and the brightest on speed dial to clean up the mess caused by a private company who you believe is hamstrung by excessive regulations.

      Lastly you claim all this activity wasn't done, when in fact it was. If not, could you please detail for us your participation in the meetings whose outcome was designed to retard the progress of the reaction to the mediation and clean-up effort? You won't because as is your custom your talking about a matter in total ignorance. Something (I might add) you do quite well.
      They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

      I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

      Comment


      • Why is it that liberals always degenerate to name-calling.

        What really upsets the liberals is that they now see their progressive policies failing. Going down in flames actually. Those policies were forcast to fail and given the reasons why in advance. So it breaks down to why would a minority government continue to further domestic and foreign policies that are guaranteed to fail? Could it be because they want it to fail? It seems to be the only logical conclusion. So the the administrations liberal supporters are getting desperate in their defense of their position, all the while knowing they are in the wrong. Its is failing in its application and in its populaity.

        Face it, Obama hates the USA. Even reverting to calling WWII the 'Great Patriotic War'. That is the term that Stalin created for WWII. Bigger government controlling everything by a tiny few in power.

        The writing is on the wall. Democrat (and some GOP) incumbents have no chance for re election come this november and November 2012. The GOP will retain all three branches, but the goal is to do as much damage as possible before then.

        Comment


        • Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
          Only if one believes that one side is superior in performance or efficiency than the other. Which they aren't.

          Recent history has shown the enthusiasm the private sector has for socializing losses by demanding bailouts from the taxpayer.

          The price tags for which only seem to be increasing.
          Hey, let's let the auto industry, the banking industry and the oil industry crash.

          I'm sure the economy would be great, retirement accounts would be wonderful, employment would be strong, etc....

          I don't like bailing anyone out, especially corporations. However, when the corporation is essentially the entire industry and a cornerstone of our economy how far do you want to take that?
          I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

          "The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list."

          "When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water."

          Comment


          • Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
            This is funny stuff idiotboy. Even for you. And that's saying quite a bit. You make all these claims about government then cite two examples of failings done by private entities.

            Then you go on to state government (an entity you claim is corrupt and unethical) should have had the best and the brightest on speed dial to clean up the mess caused by a private company who you believe is hamstrung by excessive regulations.
            Government needs to provide basic services. Law enforcement, protection and response to emergencies, a national defense, closing the borders to Illegal Criminals, etc. They have clearly failed in their ability to respond to emergencies.

            One thing a government does not do in a free society is to control the citizens and the business made up of those citizens.

            FYI, we have a speed dial system in this country whereby government entities respond to emergencies created by private entries. It is called the 911 system.

            Lastly you claim all this activity wasn't done, when in fact it was. If not, could you please detail for us your participation in the meetings whose outcome was designed to retard the progress of the reaction to the mediation and clean-up effort? You won't because as is your custom your talking about a matter in total ignorance. Something (I might add) you do quite well.
            I don't have to. All you have to do is listen to the people in the gulf most affected by the lack of an emergency response. Some said an emergency in the gulf so Obama grabbed his clubs and went golfing. The sick part is how the MSM has given the chosen one a free pass on this. They were all over Bush after a Democratic Governor and A democratic Mayor refused help from the federal government after Katrina. At least Bush showed up within a week and talked to the principal players, he didn't wait 60 days to do anything. At this point the Obama plan to fight the fire storm in the gulf is to golfing and let the home owner (aka BP) worry about the problem.

            Comment


            • Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
              Hey, let's let the auto industry, the banking industry and the oil industry crash.

              I'm sure the economy would be great, retirement accounts would be wonderful, employment would be strong, etc....

              I don't like bailing anyone out, especially corporations. However, when the corporation is essentially the entire industry and a cornerstone of our economy how far do you want to take that?
              I don't disagree. What makes me chuckle is when those defending private industry get all huffy about the government intervening in the compensation of execs who have just received tax bailouts.

              And then there is all the accompanying nonsense of socialism and tyranny from the usual gang of idiots. One of whom is on this board with a moniker from the Wizard of Oz. Only problem is that unlike his character, ours doesn't really have a brain.
              They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

              I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

              Comment


              • Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                I don't disagree. What makes me chuckle is when those defending private industry get all huffy about the government intervening in the compensation of execs who have just received tax bailouts.

                And then there is all the accompanying nonsense of socialism and tyranny from the usual gang of idiots. One of whom is on this board with a moniker from the Wizard of Oz. Only problem is that unlike his character, ours doesn't really have a brain.
                If you take government money because of a business failing, then it should be accompanied by rules on exec salaries and bonuses. Just keep in mind that if you restrict it too much, then those with talent will bail and the newly "rescued" company will have lost those who could continue to make that company viable. It's a fine line, but bonuses should always be based on performance.

                I take exception with government wanting to interfere with bonuses of executives in companies who have not taken bailouts, etc.
                I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

                "The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list."

                "When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water."

                Comment


                • Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
                  If you take government money because of a business failing, then it should be accompanied by rules on exec salaries and bonuses. Just keep in mind that if you restrict it too much, then those with talent will bail and the newly "rescued" company will have lost those who could continue to make that company viable. It's a fine line, but bonuses should always be based on performance.
                  I agree.

                  Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
                  I take exception with government wanting to interfere with bonuses of executives in companies who have not taken bailouts, etc.
                  I agree again.

                  I have to go lay down. Feeling woozy.
                  They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

                  I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

                  Comment


                  • Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                    I don't disagree. What makes me chuckle is when those defending private industry get all huffy about the government intervening in the compensation of execs who have just received tax bailouts.

                    And then there is all the accompanying nonsense of socialism and tyranny from the usual gang of idiots. One of whom is on this board with a moniker from the Wizard of Oz. Only problem is that unlike his character, ours doesn't really have a brain.

                    Two wrongs don't male a right. The bailouts were a horrible idea to begin with just as this stimulus idea is also a bad idea. I am sure as a big union guy you can also understand that those execs have contracts that spell out those bonuses and how they are earned. Each year I actually sign a document that details how my bonus is computed and accept those terms, yes, we sign a contract each year. So when a government comes in and tells the company it must violate the terms of a contract then use, I object. Just like you would object if the government came in and said you must cut the wages of your unionized members by 10%.

                    And unlike the sheep who follow Obama blindly I do have a brain. I can see that he has no plan for the Gulf of Mexico expect to go golfing and throw a lot of money that way. Funny how liberals think you can solve all the problems by spending more money.

                    Comment


                    • Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                      I agree.


                      I agree again.

                      I have to go lay down. Feeling woozy.
                      More so than usual?

                      Comment


                      • Originally posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
                        Two wrongs don't male a right. The bailouts were a horrible idea to begin with just as this stimulus idea is also a bad idea. I am sure as a big union guy you can also understand that those execs have contracts that spell out those bonuses and how they are earned. Each year I actually sign a document that details how my bonus is computed and accept those terms, yes, we sign a contract each year. So when a government comes in and tells the company it must violate the terms of a contract then use, I object. Just like you would object if the government came in and said you must cut the wages of your unionized members by 10%.
                        When I read this rubbish, I am assured you will never be in charge of anything. What about the contract you signed with your credit card companies that you sought protection from the government after you failed to live up to it? Here's the rub on your analogy idiotboy. My contracts (when I was working) were dependent upon there being funds to pay my contract. The execs you defend ran their companies into the ground, demanded a bailout, and then used those taxpayers funds to pay the bonuses. Your analogy only reinforces why you're an idiot.

                        Originally posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
                        And unlike the sheep who follow Obama blindly I do have a brain. I can see that he has no plan for the Gulf of Mexico expect to go golfing and throw a lot of money that way. Funny how liberals think you can solve all the problems by spending more money.
                        Hey idiotboy. Make up your mind? Do you want government to stay out of the way? Or do you want it to be the entity that is perfect? You criticize the government for doing their job. You criticize the government when they don't do their job.

                        So what is the conservative solution to clean up the Gulf that doesn't involve money? In case you didn't know. Things cost money. At least to those of us who buy things and then don't go BK when we realize we spent more than we were making.

                        This should be fun.
                        Last edited by scfire86; 06-28-2010, 01:40 AM.
                        They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

                        I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

                        Comment


                        • Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                          When I read this rubbish, I am assured you will never be in charge of anything. What about the contract you signed with your credit card companies that you sought protection from the government after you failed to live up to it? Here's the rub on your analogy idiotboy. My contracts (when I was working) were dependent upon there being funds to pay my contract. The execs you defend ran their companies into the ground, demanded a bailout, and then used those taxpayers funds to pay the bonuses. Your analogy only reinforces why you're an idiot.
                          REALLY!!!! So with all of the budget deficits in the federal, state, and local governments how come salaries are not being cut.


                          Hey idiotboy. Make up your mind? Do you want government to stay out of the way? Or do you want it to be the entity that is perfect? You criticize the government for doing their job. You criticize the government when they don't do their job.

                          So what is the conservative solution to clean up the Gulf that doesn't involve money? In case you didn't know. Things cost money. At least to those of us who buy things and then don't go BK when we realize we spent more than we were making.

                          This should be fun.
                          I Criticize the government for spending too much time trying to regulate every swinging man woman and child while not properly preparing to defend this country against invasions or disasters. The function of government is to protect us and defend us; NOT control us.

                          Comment


                          • Originally posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
                            REALLY!!!! So with all of the budget deficits in the federal, state, and local governments how come salaries are not being cut.
                            You clearly have no clue about the circumstances about my previous agency. So there is no point in attempting it to explain it to you. Suffice to say, it involves more numbers than had as an available balance on your credit cards.

                            Originally posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
                            I Criticize the government for spending too much time trying to regulate every swinging man woman and child while not properly preparing to defend this country against invasions or disasters. The function of government is to protect us and defend us; NOT control us.
                            What is it you believe regulations are designed to protect when it comes to preventing manmade disasters?

                            You really are stupid.
                            They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

                            I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

                            Comment

                            300x600 Ad Unit (In-View)

                            Collapse

                            Upper 300x250

                            Collapse

                            Taboola

                            Collapse

                            Leader

                            Collapse
                            Working...
                            X