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  • Can you believe this threat?

    These were statments in regards to some three perps getting shot at by the NYPD because they rammed a unmarked police car twice and attempted to run over another.

    "I am fed up. I am not asking my people to do anything passive anymore," said Brooklyn City Councilman Charles Barron. "We're going to sit here and we're going to go in there. We're going to pray. We're going to march. We're going to do all of that stuff and then we're going to sit down. And then if they don't respond to none of that, then don't ask us to ask our people to be peaceful while they are being murdered. We are not the only ones that can bleed."

    "This young man was doing the right thing. He was going to marry the mother of his children. Now she has to raise those children by herself," said Reverend Al Sharpton. "But she has a community that will stand with her and stand with these children and stand with the parents."


    What the hell is this country comming too when an elected representative (former member of the terrorist organization: Black Panthers) can make such inflamatory comments basicly calling for riots and asssaults on police officers.

    Not one thinks to question the character or actions of those perps involved. Everyone of them had a rap sheet and priors and they were in a club known for drug distribution and prostitution just hours prior to his wedding, they got involved in a fight and there was mention of getting guns(you know how every fight or "diss" is settled in the ghetto. )...these mopes are far from innocent yet are being paraded about by the media as "victims". The only victims I see are the officers who were looking to maintain law an order in my city and I can only pray for them and their families that they make it through this ordeal with these racist dopes, Barron, and Sharpton.

    This sh*t never ceases to amaze me.

    FTM-PTB

  • #2
    Yet another case of race being thrown in to try and justify the idiots in question. From interviews I've seen so far, Bloomberg is cow-towing to them.

    Its my sincere hope also for the NYPD members that they can get through this ordeal. Hopefully cooler (and more intelligent) heads will prevail.
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    Sumter Fire Department

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    • #3
      Originally posted by LuckyThirteen
      Yet another case of race being thrown in to try and justify the idiots in question.

      Its my sincere hope also for the NYPD members that they can get through this ordeal. Hopefully cooler (and more intelligent) heads will prevail.
      You have no idea how upset Sharpton and Barron are that two of the Police officers involved were Black! This country is really circling the drain more and more every day.

      FTM-PTB

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      • #4
        I've been watching this evolve. I'm 100% with you guys, it's a crock of crap. If a cop has a reasonable presumption that his life is in danger (being hit by a fleeing car would be just that), he and his back-up have every right to shoot. I'm sick of hearing about how 50 shots were fired. According to my math, 50 shots divided by 5 cops shooting = 10 bullets each. I don't know how many rounds their clips carry (I'd guess 10), but I see nothing wrong with emptying their gun into the car. It sounds to me like they had pretty good aim if the guy driving the car was killed and the others wounded.

        Another fine example of why these extremists (Sharpton and Barron and all the others that fit that description) and the media keep racism alive. I'm sure the same thing has happened to other races without an eye being batted.

        Any new news on the 4th guy I keep hearing about? Supposedly got out and ran?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Catch22
          I'm sick of hearing about how 50 shots were fired. According to my math, 50 shots divided by 5 cops shooting = 10 bullets each. I don't know how many rounds their clips carry (I'd guess 10), but I see nothing wrong with emptying their gun into the car. It sounds to me like they had pretty good aim if the guy driving the car was killed and the others wounded.

          One of them reportedly emptied 2 magazines, firing like 31 shots.......
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          • #6
            Originally posted by firenresq77
            One of them reportedly emptied 2 magazines, firing like 31 shots.......
            I will never judge what any fellow member of the "Public Safety Proffessions" does unless I was there...this is truely the sh*t hitting the fan...be it fire rolling overhead or the kind of seven seconds of mayhem these guys ran into...

            New lesson for Riker's University:

            Dont threaten someone with a firearm unless you A)have said firearm and B)are prepared to use it......


            Hey FFFred thats why i'm enjoying my new life as "Mister" & not "yo cop"
            A man has to have something to believe in & I believe I'll have another beer.

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            • #7
              As a former P.O. no one can judge anyone else in these instances unless you have been there. Whether he fired 31 shots or 100 shots, you are trained to engage the target until the threat is alleviated. There are many stressors that are involved in deadly force encounters, things like auditory exclusion, slow motion timing and other visual and hearing distortions. This all can cause additional firing when other officers are firing as well.

              Charles Barron is a P.O.S. He is the first one to criticize anything. "our people". Ummm I think the victim was human and you say you want to end "police racism" however you make statements like "our people."

              NYPD is always in a no win situation. They complain they are too strict and Guiliani made a police state. He scales down the amount of officers for a Puerto Rican Day Parade, and incidents occur and what happens? The same ones complain their weren't enough officers. I'm sure Charles Barron has no problem with whatever protection he gets. As far as Al Sharpton, who can say anything about a man who is the first for a photo op and makes money off of Mr. Barron's "people" hand over fist.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by firenresq77
                One of them reportedly emptied 2 magazines, firing like 31 shots.......
                Reportedly means D!CK to me. When there is verifyable proof in the after action report then you may criticize it.

                We always talk about how inaccurate the media is, but we have no problem quoting them (myself included.)


                As for the race baiters, they are scum. When Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton pop their fat, greasy, little mitts into a story I just walk away.

                I can hardly wait until one or both of these buffoons shows up here in Durham, NC next year for the Duke Rape Case. Gonna be a freaking nightmare with those two morons spweing forth their own form of venumous racism.
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                • #9
                  Just to clear things up........ I was not bashing anyone for their actions....... I was just replying to Catch22's post about the number of shots..........
                  The comments made by me are my opinions only. They DO NOT reflect the opinions of my employer(s). If you have an issue with something I may say, take it up with me, either by posting in the forums, emailing me through my profile, or PMing me through my profile.
                  We are all adults so there is no need to act like a child........
                  IACOJ

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                  • #10
                    word in NYPD circles is two shell casings from non-NYPD 9 mm's were recovered from inside perp, um I mean victim's Altima.........
                    A man has to have something to believe in & I believe I'll have another beer.

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                    • #11
                      use of force

                      Looking from outside USA it looks like you guys are just practising the same kind of democracy you are forcing on the good folks of Iraq or Afganistan.
                      Start acting like a third world country and you will soon be one.

                      Downunder they would by in deep **** if they used a fire arm without being in direct threat from another fire arm just like any other civilised country.
                      One of the local boys used his pistol to put down a kangaroo injured in a road accident. Paperwork was enough to get him from ever thinking of doing this again.

                      Another mate was patrolling embassies and consulates in Canberra a couple of years ago. At the US ambasadors private residence in a rural area of Canberra the mate hears gunshots from the rear. Probably roo shooters.
                      Calls for help, fits flack jacket and armed with a 9mm Glock pistol goes in search of roo shooters. Fortunately roo shooters disappear extra quick. In retrospect roo shooters were lucky US enforcement officers were not guarding the US ambassador.
                      Last edited by wombat; 11-27-2006, 10:41 PM.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by wombat
                        Looking from outside USA it looks like you guys are just practising the same kind of democracy you are forcing on the good folks of Iraq or Afganistan.
                        Start acting like a third world country and you will soon be one.
                        Huh?

                        What do your country's cops do when a car intentionally tries to run down a police officer?
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by wombat
                          Looking from outside USA it looks like you guys are just practising the same kind of democracy you are forcing on the good folks of Iraq or Afganistan.
                          Start acting like a third world country and you will soon be one.
                          So would you have rather them get killed? I guess Australia has never had an Officer have to defend themselves and kill someone.





                          PS wasnt Australia founded by all criminals???
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by wombat
                            Looking from outside USA it looks like you guys are just practising the same kind of democracy you are forcing on the good folks of Iraq or Afganistan.
                            Start acting like a third world country and you will soon be one.

                            Downunder they would by in deep **** if they used a fire arm without being in direct threat from another fire arm just like any other civilised country.
                            One of the local boys used his pistol to put down a kangaroo injured in a road accident. Paperwork was enough to get him from ever thinking of doing this again.
                            Not for nuttin bud but keep lookin from the outside in. We got enough gutless wonders to worry about.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by wombat
                              Looking from outside USA it looks like you guys are just practising the same kind of democracy you are forcing on the good folks of Iraq or Afganistan.
                              Start acting like a third world country and you will soon be one.

                              Downunder they would by in deep **** if they used a fire arm without being in direct threat from another fire arm just like any other civilised country.
                              One of the local boys used his pistol to put down a kangaroo injured in a road accident. Paperwork was enough to get him from ever thinking of doing this again.

                              Another mate was patrolling embassies and consulates in Canberra a couple of years ago. At the US ambasadors private residence in a rural area of Canberra the mate hears gunshots from the rear. Probably roo shooters.
                              Calls for help, fits flack jacket and armed with a 9mm Glock pistol goes in search of roo shooters. Fortunately roo shooters disappear extra quick. In retrospect roo shooters were lucky US enforcement officers were not guarding the US ambassador.
                              And what are your 1300 troops doing in Iraq? Forcing Australian democracy on the good people over there??? Number one - you are a hypocrit. Number two - you come from a small, non diverse country. Don't hurt yourself trying to contemplate the problems of a much larger, more complicated society. You just end up looking like an idiot when you spout your ill-informed, small town logic about things you don't understand.
                              I am a complacent liability to the fire service

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