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  • Backdraft/Smoke Explosion Video

    Had this emailed to me by a coworker. I for one would never have guessed this would have happened the way it did.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTQWNCeCBvQ

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    Originally posted by Rescue101
    I don't mind fire rolling over my head. I just don't like it rolling UNDER my a**.

  • #2
    good news no one is hurt too bad.

    does anyone know if there were telltale signs of impending the bd?
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    • #3
      I don't think it was a backdraft. Looks more like something collapsed on the interior or in the rear which subsequently caused the exterior wall attached to the chimney to collapse.
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      • #4
        I have to agree that it doesn't look like a backdraft. None of the telltale signs were there, the smoke was pretty lazy, and when it did whatever it did, the smoke "poofed" briefly out of the vent and eaves, then continued to just drift, other than in the area where the collapse occured.

        I'm also guessing a localized collapse of some sort.

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        • #5
          I'd have to put my money on a smoke explosion that occurred in the attic space of the the structure. A couple of points, at the very beginning of the video you can see what appears to be a little puff or chugging smoke coming from the gable end. The force of the explosion pushes the smoke out and down from the gable end not straight out. I would expect an event at the rear to push the smoke out more laterally, as the attic space would funnel it toward the gable vent. It appears that the smoke at the peak area lit off and pushed down, watch the smoke being forced down and the porch ceiling being blown down.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by MemphisE34a View Post
            I don't think it was a backdraft. Looks more like something collapsed on the interior or in the rear which subsequently caused the exterior wall attached to the chimney to collapse.
            Same thing I was thinking. I just dont see any of the signs of backdraft overly evident. Maybe if the video was longer or if we had a veiw from the back, we could make a better judgement.
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            Originally posted by Rescue101
            I don't mind fire rolling over my head. I just don't like it rolling UNDER my a**.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by MemphisE34a View Post
              I don't think it was a backdraft. Looks more like something collapsed on the interior or in the rear which subsequently caused the exterior wall attached to the chimney to collapse.
              I watched several times and it appears that it was actually just the chimney that came down. The wall stayed in place. ????

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              • #8
                Originally posted by MemphisE34a View Post
                I don't think it was a backdraft. Looks more like something collapsed on the interior or in the rear which subsequently caused the exterior wall attached to the chimney to collapse.
                That's kind of what I was thinking as I watched it. Never saw any real signs of an "explosion", rather smoke just pushing out just prior to the chimney falling. Maybe a balloon frame that had fire running up the walls near the chimney, buring out whatever tied the chimney to the structure. After you see it collapse, you can see fire the entire height of the structure where the chimney used to be.

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                • #9
                  my take on it was underventilated fire burning between the chimney and the house, filled the attic up with smoke, fire hits smoke, smoke explosion, brings the 2nd floor cieling down and knocks the chimney over, exposing the seat of the fire.

                  glad nobody was hurt

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                  • #10
                    Ok, does it matter whether it was a smoke explosion or an interior collapse? DID ANYONE NOTICE THE GUY IN BUNK PANTS, NO HELMET, NO COAT, and NO PACK WHO NEARLY GOT SQUASHED?

                    Yeh, I sound like chicken little and the sky is falling, but in this case the wall WAS falling.

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                    • #11
                      What do you bet he filled his bunkers??

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                      • #12
                        Backdraft/ smoke explosion

                        For all the post regarding the video that was watched on here. I was on the scene and know all that happened. Let me set the record straight. When we arrived on scene there was light smoke coming from the sofits on the house. When the apparent backdraft/ smoke explosion happened it was 10 minutes into the call. With limited manpower on scene you have to ladder the building as a engineer/ driver. Yes i know the ppe you are suppose to be wearing. But when given a order and no time to delay you sometimes have to act. When we where getting ready to remove the ladder from side d is when the backdraft/ smoke explosion happened. As everyone has stated there were no indications that this was going to happen.

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                        • #13
                          Backdraft/ smoke explosion

                          There was also no other colapse of any kind inside the structure. They were opening the wall up and thats when the explosion happened.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Fireman1412 View Post
                            There was also no other colapse of any kind inside the structure. They were opening the wall up and thats when the explosion happened.
                            I have a friend who was driving Engine 61 on that call. His account of events matches Fireman1412's.

                            Also, watch the vent in gable. Smoke, under pressure, shoots out of that vent at least a full second before motion/collapse is seen on the Charlie side.
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                            • #15
                              Since we've got someone on here that was there and another that knows someone, I wanted to ask where the fire started and what kind of progression it had. If I were to "guess", it looked like a balloon frame that started low and went up the wall space, but I'd like to hear what actually happened if possible.

                              I'm wondering if it had some trapped heat/smoke and the air from breaching the wall allowed it to light off with enough pressure to push out the chimney.

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