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    You have the forcible entry position for the night what do you carry ax or maul and why?

  • #2
    When and why would you ever only have a choice between one or the other?
    Last edited by Pierce151; 06-18-2008, 04:47 PM. Reason: Typo
    Montgomery Township Vol. Co. #1
    Station 45, Belle Mead, NJ

    Franklin District #2 Fire
    Station 35, Griggstown, NJ

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    • #3
      You'd carry both?
      Logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by zman132 View Post
        You have the forcible entry position for the night what do you carry ax or maul and why?
        Personally, I'd carry the irons.

        We don't have assignments like that prior to a call. Everything is dependant upon when you arrive and fireground priorities. With that, I find using the irons the most useful to allow for more tasks, than just force entry.
        The thoughts and opinions posted here are mine and mine alone and do not reflect the thoughts and or views of city or dept affiliation.

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        • #5
          Hmmmm... axe or maul....



          Decisions, decisons...
          ‎"The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
          Lt. Ray McCormack, FDNY

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Pierce151 View Post
            When and why would you ever only have a choice between one or the other?
            When deciding what to carry into the buiding, you make a choice.

            Are you telling us that you carry both? And if so....why?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
              Hmmmm... axe or maul....



              Decisions, decisons...
              see it depends if its a door like the one in the thread on locks why the maul of course the double light saber could dominate.
              and for the run of the mill stuff just go with the axe

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              • #8
                I would take the maul with a halligan If I had to chose between a ax or maul. I am on a fulltime dept and we have riding posistions. On our truck companys and heavy rescue we have a irons posistion. When I am riding as "irons" I take a flat head axe for residential buildings and I take a sledge hammer for commercial or highrise type jobs. Know if our company is sent to the roof on a residential I always take the maul becuase I have found that it is great for ventalation......u have the combo of cutting and or blunt force to get your way through the roof! If our company is asigned to R.I.T I love takeing the maul becuase it is a great tool for breaching walls and such. Just my input.

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                • #9
                  As WFD said, choose when you are getting off the truck looking at the occupancy. Why limit yourself to a specific tool? Why not take the right tool for the job?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jakesdad View Post
                    When deciding what to carry into the buiding, you make a choice.

                    Are you telling us that you carry both? And if so....why?
                    My response was more in regards to the limiting factor of his inquiry. When it comes to basic forced entry your irons, axe & haligan, really are your best friends. I have yet to encounter a situation where the irons aren't more than adeqaute for the job at hand.
                    Montgomery Township Vol. Co. #1
                    Station 45, Belle Mead, NJ

                    Franklin District #2 Fire
                    Station 35, Griggstown, NJ

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Pierce151 View Post
                      My response was more in regards to the limiting factor of his inquiry. When it comes to basic forced entry your irons, axe & haligan, really are your best friends. I have yet to encounter a situation where the irons aren't more than adeqaute for the job at hand.
                      I am making an assumption here... and yes, I do know what happens when you do that, but I am assuming that he is asking whether or not to take the maul or the axe along with the halligan.

                      And this answer really depends on the type of building you are responding to. There are definitely certain instances where the maul is extremely useful, and other where the axe is more beneficial.

                      It really does depend on what type of building you are operating in.

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                      • #12
                        Well, if that's the case, then I would answer without hesitation, flat-head axe; Quite a bit more multi facteted than a maul.
                        Montgomery Township Vol. Co. #1
                        Station 45, Belle Mead, NJ

                        Franklin District #2 Fire
                        Station 35, Griggstown, NJ

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                        • #13
                          For our Irons position we have a set or "heavy irons". We welded a bracket on top of the sledge hammer that marries very nicely with the halligan bar. "Most" of the time the purpose of the axe is for use as a striking tool with the halligan. You get a lot more force because of the size of the sledge compared to an axe. In our area, we run a lot of garden apartments. Most of these doors have been broken into/forced open so many times, a few shots with a sledge hammer by itself will do the trick. Also since most of our sfd's are from the 40's-60's, a few shots with a sledge or a good donkey kick will take it no problem.

                          Everyone will have a personal preference, you have to try for yourself and see what works best for you.

                          Stay Safe

                          P.S.

                          GONZ-that was great, how long did it take you to find a pic of "Axe"?
                          Chris Polimeni
                          Prince George's County FD
                          Back at the Big 29er

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                          • #14
                            [QUOTE=cap6888;962290]For our Irons position we have a set or "heavy irons". We welded a bracket on top of the sledge hammer that marries very nicely with the halligan bar. "Most" of the time the purpose of the axe is for use as a striking tool with the halligan.

                            Yeah Cap6888 we have a set of heavy irons also and I love them!The only time I take the flathead with a halligan is for residential fires, for everything else I go with a sledge hammer when I am riding as the irons posistion. But when I go to the roof I like the take a mual. Also you can almost pop any door with the sledge hammer alone.

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                            • #15
                              Heavy axes

                              We have recently moved up to 8 lb. axes to maximize everyones striking power. The extra 2 lbs. does a great job on any door. The 12 lb sledge does have it place in any masonary building. Wall breaching goes much quicker.

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