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  • The “Hoffy” Hose Load

    So has anyone seen this or used it ?

    Goto http://www.hftfire.com and see the information.

    Looks like it a decent system but lots of training for both your department and neighboring departments that may end up pulling lines off your apparatus.
    Chief Jim Bator
    www.hopewellfire.org

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  • #2
    OK I'm slightly interested. But Patent pending or Patented? Who patents a hose load? Here was no special tools from what I can see, so what is there to patent? Looks to me like a few long loop lay in first then you coil the rest of you line (nozzle in) to the length of you bed and plce it in the bed then take the long loops and fold them over the top. In fact maybe we'll try this without the patented tools or video. Come on, we don't charge our brothers for ideas to make the job better do we?

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    • #3
      Hose Load and Deployment

      We use a similar method for wildland hose (Gnass Pack) and have taught the use of coils for a number of years. This method works great, particularly in confined areas such as a stairwell (however, we construct the coils as an alternative to flaking the hose out after it is extended.
      Ed Hartin, MS, EFO, MIFireE

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      • #4
        All looks good on tv...
        My posts reflect my views and opinions, not the organization I work for or my IAFF local. Some of which they may not agree. I.A.C.O.J. member
        "I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
        George Mason
        Co-author of the Second Amendment
        during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788
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        • #5
          Interesting, very interesting. I will say that they bastardized the minuteman load trying to "compare" it to the coil load. Taking the entire bed of hose onto your shoulder isnt how to effecively utilize the minuteman type load.

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          • #6
            We use flat loads with loops. I have never had a problem with advancing the line. Nozzle in one hand, opposite arm through the loops, and haul ***. Crosslay is cleared and line is advanced dry. Engineer charges the line and all is good.

            A little coordination between the FF advancing the hose and the engineer makes this a very easy evolution.

            The "problems" we have had in the past have been the result of the crosslay not being cleared.. usually when a newbie(or sometimes not so newbie) grabs the nozzle only and runs, leaving the engineer to pull the line.

            The tactic of rolling the line to advance it (as seen at the end of the clip)has been around for years.

            This idea may have some application, Somewhere, and If it does, GREAT!!
            But it is simply another tool in the box. Not quite a "revolution" in firefighting tactics. During the clip, I was expecting to be asked for my credit card number, and be given a toll free number to call. Sure looked like a sales pitch to me. I thought we were on these boards to share ideas freely with each other. JMO

            Stay safe

            Jim

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            • #7
              I agree...how can you "patent" a hose load? If that's the case, we use a load for our crosslays that's a little different from most others I've seen...maybe we should patent ours?

              Also, I'd be a little more inclined to take him seriously if he had better grammar, spelling, and punctuation on his site.....
              Chief Dwayne LeBlanc
              Paincourtville Volunteer Fire Department
              Paincourtville, LA

              "I have a dream. It's not a big dream, it's just a little dream. My dream — and I hope you don't find this too crazy — is that I would like the people of this community to feel that if, God forbid, there were a fire, calling the fire department would actually be a wise thing to do. You can't have people, if their houses are burning down, saying, 'Whatever you do, don't call the fire department!' That would be bad."
              — C.D. Bales, "Roxanne"

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              • #8
                IMO, if I have to worry about training other departments on how to pull hose off my engine...it's not a good solution. K.I.S.S.
                "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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                • #9
                  Looks like a perfect way to slip a disc in your back if you ask me.
                  Just know, I chose my own fate. I drove by the fork in the road and went straight.

                  Originally posted by FlyingKiwi
                  Go put your pussy 2 1/2" lines away kiddies.

                  Originally posted by Explorer343

                  By the way KEEPBACK200FEET, you're so dramatic!

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                  • #10
                    Ladies and Gentlemen... I hate to bring in another ad, BUT I just have this amazing new tool that I "invented." This thing is GREAT! How many times have you heard of a truck accidently rolling forward or backwards? Do you have a lot of hills in your district? Are you often concerned that while you run into the store to pick up dinner, you might come outside to find that your truck has rolled down the street or worse yet, into a parked car?? Well, do I have the solution for you!! I have come up with a crafty little object that has been designed to prevent your truck from moving when it's parked. Yes... yes.. I know.. please hold your applause until the end. You simply place this ingenious object either in front of or behind your truck's tire and it WILL NOT roll over it. Amazing... I'm working on getting my video online. (Patents pending)

                    On a side note, I tend to agree with the post above... especially SPFDRum... everything tends to look good on TV. We've never had any of the problems they showed on their "ad" with deploying our hoselines. Then again, we tend to keep it simple!
                    Do it because you love it, not because you love being seen doing it.

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                    • #11
                      I want one of them new wheel tire thingees. I hate when my truck just starts rolling away.

                      Thats pretty damn funny
                      Real men wear kilts. www.forourfallen.org

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                      • #12
                        Instead of saying it wont work, we tried it today. We liked the initial results, however we only had water main pressure (50 PSI or so) so not every kink came out. Im fairly confident at 100 PSi there would have been no issue. We will be playing around with it again in the future.

                        We had water in the tip and flowing with one man advancing it in about 17 seconds on a 100' line and about 29 seconds on a 200' line.
                        Last edited by MG3610; 10-10-2006, 04:53 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Read the Patents...

                          He has patented two variations of hose roller machines; he has NOT patented the hose load itself. So loading your crosslays like he depicts in the video does not violate his patent.

                          I like to keep an open mind to new techniques and wish the website was more informative.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by GFDLT1
                            I want one of them new wheel tire thingees.
                            C'mon now... you didn't have to go and tell the world what I'm planning on calling it!
                            Do it because you love it, not because you love being seen doing it.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by FTMPTB15
                              C'mon now... you didn't have to go and tell the world what I'm planning on calling it!
                              Sorry dude, my bad. You know how it is telephone, telefax, tell a firemen.
                              Real men wear kilts. www.forourfallen.org

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