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  • #31
    @ rcskcs: We don't normally have an officer on the truck (short staffing) but, if an officer outranking the IC arrives on scene he has the option to take command of the incident or, if the IC isn't an officer, the obligation to do so. (Pretty much the standard ICS model.)

    Why do you ask?
    "Nemo Plus Voluptatis Quam Nos Habant"
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    • #32
      Any alarm to a MFD in the city UNDER 4 Stories gets:

      2-Engines w/ 1-1-2 (Can drop to 1-1-1)
      1-Truck w/ 1-1-3 (Can drop to 1-1-2)
      1-Batt. Chief

      OVER 4 Stories gets:

      3- Engines
      2-Trucks
      1-Heavy Rescue
      1-Batt. Chief


      *Working Fires will get a extra chief, EMS for stand-by, and Red Cross for R&R
      *Extra alarms will be 2 Engines and 1 Truck unless special called
      No longer an explorer, but I didn't wanna lose my posts.

      IACOJ 2003

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      • #33
        We have a dispute at work as to whether it is acceptable for a Ladder truck Captain or Rescue Captain to take command of a residential structure fire. I wanted to see what other dept's do in that situation.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by rcskcs
          We have a dispute at work as to whether it is acceptable for a Ladder truck Captain or Rescue Captain to take command of a residential structure fire. I wanted to see what other dept's do in that situation.
          Why not? What is the alternative?

          (If they aren't expected to perform as officers, maybe they shouldn't be officers... )
          "Nemo Plus Voluptatis Quam Nos Habant"
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          The Code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules.

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          • #35
            No fuss...

            2 or 3 Pumps (depending on location) 4 or 5 Ff's per Pump.
            Possibly an aerial.

            On receipt of Multiple calls
            2 more Pumps and a Chief.
            Steve Dude
            IACOJ member
            www.fireservice.co.uk

            London Fire Brigade...."Can Do"


            'Irony'... It's a British thing.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by rcskcs
              Any dept's out there allow their truck or rescue captains to assume command of a fire incident?
              Situation: 3 person engine is first on scene and the Captain passes command and goes to work. Next in is a truck or rescue, does your dept allow that truck or rescue captain to take command?
              Yes. The commander of the 1st due rig can't command from inside of the building.

              I had a fire in a 12 unit garden style condo complex where I passed command to the Lt. on the second due engine company, as all the companies that were dispatched on the still alarm were committed to fighting the fire.
              ‎"The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
              Lt. Ray McCormack, FDNY

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              • #37
                Portland fire Bureau,
                MFD, 4 engines, 2 trucks, 2 BC's, all apparatus staffed with 4, we also respond a 5th engine for 2nd rit on confirmed fires, then an investigator and air unit.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by rcskcs
                  Any dept's out there allow their truck or rescue captains to assume command of a fire incident?
                  Situation: 3 person engine is first on scene and the Captain passes command and goes to work. Next in is a truck or rescue, does your dept allow that truck or rescue captain to take command?

                  yep, it's completely acceptable(by rescue you mean heavy rescue?..just making sure since in my state rescues are ambulances and heavy rescues are most likely called special hazards or special services or squads)

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by nmfire
                    This is our little volunteer department in our sleepy little town. Any "fire incident" which is basically anything besides a HazMat, MVA, EMS, or other type of rescue:

                    First Alarm
                    1st due Engine w/ minimum of a driver only (1000gal) to the scene
                    Tanker w/ minimum of a driver only (3000gal) to the scene
                    Heavy Rescue w/ crew of at least 4 to the scene
                    2nd due engine with crew of at least 4 to a water source or the scene
                    EMS Truck (Optional)
                    Utility Truck (Optional)
                    I like that... "Engine w/ minimum of a driver only". Good you have that minimum! :-)

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by cofirecpt
                      In Breckenridge, Colorado on the initial first alarm...
                      Breckenridge, huh. Lucky bastard! Do you think you can get me a job there?
                      I am a complacent liability to the fire service

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by rcskcs
                        Any dept's out there allow their truck or rescue captains to assume command of a fire incident?
                        Situation: 3 person engine is first on scene and the Captain passes command and goes to work. Next in is a truck or rescue, does your dept allow that truck or rescue captain to take command?

                        Here, any company level officer is permitted to assume IC. Usually it is the CO on the second due rig. They keep IC untill a command level officer arrives.
                        Fire Marshal/Safety Officer

                        IAAI-NFPA-IAFC/VCOS-Retired IAFF

                        "No his mind is not for rent, to any god or government"
                        RUSH-Tom Sawyer

                        Success is when skill meets opportunity
                        Failure is when fantasy meets reality

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                        • #42
                          Here at my department all fire calls get the same response initially. 1 engine and 1 75' quint with 2 or 3 men depending on the day. Some days we might not even have an officer on duty. If it is a working fire we will get the chief and call back of the department bringing 2 more engines and 10 or 12 more men.

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                          • #43
                            Initial dispatch for a report of fire or visible smoke in any structure we send our whole fleet:
                            3 Engines
                            1 Quint
                            1 Rescue
                            1 Tanker (in non-hydrant areas)

                            Confirmed fire is above PLUS:
                            1 FAST
                            1 BLS Ambulance (rehab)
                            1 BLS Ambulance (for Transport)
                            1 Medic
                            1 Cascade (for the SCBAs)
                            3 Additional Tankers (in non-hydrant areas)

                            2nd Alarm is above PLUS:
                            1 Engine
                            1 Truck
                            2nd FAST
                            2 Additional Tankers (in non-hydrant areas)
                            "Roundhead642"
                            NEVER FORGET
                            Lt. Michael E. Neuner Sr. #585
                            Last Alarm 6/22/97 Brewster FD
                            "There's no harm in asking..."

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                            • #44
                              Fort Lauderdale, FL Fire-Rescue

                              Initial dispatch for structure fire: 3 Engines, 1 Ladder, 1 Rescue, 2 Battalion Chiefs & EMS supervisor.

                              Working Fire: brings an additional Ladder (RIT), Air/Light truck, and Fire Investigator. Also, command will usually ask for a 2nd rescue to setup medical sector, since the 1st due rescue usually goes to work with the engine company.

                              All Engines & Ladders have 1 Officer, 1 Driver/Engineer, and 1 FF
                              All Rescues (ambulances) have 2 FF minimum, sometimes 3
                              All command officers have just 1.

                              Typically the first due engine & rescue on scene arrive at the same time approximately, and will advance the first line. Second due engine establishes water supply, then conducts searches or pulls the 2nd line. Third due engine pulls the 2nd/3rd line, or conducts searches. First due ladder conducts Truck Co. Ops, Second due ladder stands by as RIT. The three command officers assume command, accountability, and safety officer positions. Air/Light truck sets up rehab, with the 2nd due rescue providing medical treatment & monitoring

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                              • #45
                                It depends on the location in our district, some areas a reported structure assignment will be as follows...

                                1 Engine - w/ Driver, Officer and extra Firefighter if fully staffed
                                1 Light Duty Rescue- w/ 2 Firefighters
                                1 100' Quint w/ 2 Firefighters
                                1 Battalion Chief

                                If it is declared a working fire we recieve our other engine and a mutual aid heavy rescue

                                In the other portion of our district it is as follows

                                1 Engine- w/ Driver and Officer
                                1 Light Duty Rescue - w/ 2 Firefighters
                                1 Mutual Aid Engine - w/ Driver and Officer
                                1 Mutual Aid Light Duty Rescue - w/ 2 Firefghters

                                If a working fire is declared in this portion of the disrict the other engine and quint respond along with a mutual aid heavy rescue.
                                Fir Na Tine

                                "You can't help anyone, without getting there first!"

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