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    Last edited by Guest; 11-16-2007, 12:18 AM.

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  • THEFIRENUT
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  • THEFIRENUT
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    Originally posted by SPFDRum
    using your skill, experiance, and education allows you to make an educated and relevant risk assesment.
    I say "do a risk assisment", you call me a pansy. But then you turn around and say the same thing. What's up?????

    This is from my first post:
    "First of all, I would like to make a couple of statements:
    I believe in aggressive firefighting!
    I believe in risk management!
    (If you are able to put the two together, then you should be doing a good job at the fire scene. )"

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  • Bones42
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  • Bones42
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    using your skill, experiance, and education allows you to make an educated and relevant risk assesment.
    Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a winner. It's really that simple.

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  • SPFDRum
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  • SPFDRum
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    I guess you are right....Firefighter + Brain = Pansy.
    Find where I stated that. You won't. What I did say more than once on this thread and the scba thread is using your skill, experiance, and education allows you to make an educated and relevant risk assesment. But I spose all your vast firefighting experaince on 1 horse vollie tells you otherwise.
    I guess this type of attitude should be expected from the minority of vollies that think that firefighting is a hobby...be damned if it actually poses any type of risk.

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  • clancyxdogg
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  • clancyxdogg
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    Originally posted by THEFIRENUT

    One more thing.....Ask your wife and kids if it is OK for you to give your life in a fire because you didn't want the city to loose any tax dollars.
    Okay, I'll go do that. Meanwhile, YOU explain to the family that is watching their stuff burn up that the fire is too big and scary. "Don't worry,sir,the insurance will pay for your wedding album and the flag your father was buried in."

    Some of the "firefighters" on here congratulating each other on their brains better work on getting some ball$. Saving property is one of the things they pay you for. If you're not willing to do it,at least let the public know. "Attention citizens. If your stuff catches fire, the East Teabag VFD will hose it down from the street. Contributions gratefully accepted. Thank you."

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  • THEFIRENUT
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  • THEFIRENUT
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    Originally posted by SPFDRum
    It's not about saving "a room". It's about saving a structure and the rest of "the rooms". To do that, you need to get to the seat of the fire and confine it, and then extinguish it. If you want any respect as a firefighter, you had at-least be able to do that. PS, this isn't done from the street....
    The literal, lock step following of the "save a little, risk a little...." is turning a whole new generation of firefighters' into a bunch of pansies.
    Besides, it is about public image. I'm a full-time career firefighter supported by my city and its taxes. If I let everything burn down because it might be a risk, it won't take long for those tax payers to realize they don't need 400 of us. Maybe just 10 or 15 to be spectators. With really great seats I may add.
    Our Mission statement states: "To protect the life and property of the people in St. Paul by providing quality service by dedicated professionals." No where in there did it state "unless it may pose a risk" or otherwise be scary for some.
    I guess you are right....Firefighter + Brain = Pansy.

    So I guess that we need to change how we teach firefighting 101. You will no longer be allowed to have a defensive attack. ALL attacks will be offensive. That IS what you are talking about...right???

    I am not telling you that we need to back off at all fires so that we won't break a sweat. I just believe that if am going to give my life in a fire, I would hope that it would be for a better reason than "That's what they pay me for".

    One more thing.....Ask your wife and kids if it is OK for you to give your life in a fire because you didn't want the city to loose any tax dollars.

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  • mikeyboy411
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  • mikeyboy
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    So did I......

    This was in a very low income area...... we're talkin' about an area that L.A.P.D. used to give the homeless people bus tickets to go so that they would get outta their City.
    So there is a lot of centimental value with their belongings....... They still did a great job, I am not knockin' 'em at all.

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  • mikeyboy411
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  • mikeyboy
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    Answers

    Yes they did save most of the stuff in the effected areas.
    I agree with the Adjuster comment..... easier to laugh it off when it's not your crap or house that is gone.

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  • johnny46
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  • johnny46
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    Originally posted by mikeyboy
    Grasstrimmer,
    With the scenario that you brought up in your first post, I say get in and get the job done..... If possible, come in from the uninvolved side and start your fire attack when you reach the fire......
    I am always enertained when I hear crews say "man, that was a great save" and then when you go by and look at their "save" its little more than one room. You saved a room..... good for you. My favorite was when a crew was going off duty and telling us about how they saved this mobile home this one time....... we went by and the Insurance Adjuster was there. My Captain, myself and our FFs were talking to the Adjuster, we all got a good laugh when the Adjuster said "this is what you guys call a save, right? Just so that you know, we are going to put the wheels back on and tow the house outta here tomorrow." Come to find out, even with a lil' bit of damage this company prefers just to tow 'em off and replace them.
    When we told the crew about what the Adjuster said they all kinda chuckled..... "figures" is what I can remember one of them even saying.
    But did they save some of the stuff inside?

    I work in a poor neighborhood. The landlords often tear down the houses after they burn. But there's plenty of stuff inside that's important to the people there.

    Screw an adjuster. I bet he's insured to the teeth; he can afford to laugh.

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  • johnny46
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  • johnny46
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    Originally posted by mikeyboy
    I agree with FIRENUT, there are a lot of things to consider. I still don't understand why we feel the need to just run on in....... I am aggressive, but let's be smart here...... Endangering yourself and your crew to "save" a room doesn't make sense. Can the occupant live in that one room? If it's only one room you're gonna save, I say just get the personal possessions out, call the Red Cross or whatever help your community has and let them rebuild. I am sure that somebody will say "great way to promote your public image" to that I say this, jeopardizing your safety for your "public image" is rediculous..... Risk a lil' to gain a lot, let's not Risk a lot to gain a lil'.........
    I think it's easier to hold a hose than carry out a room full of crap. Is salvage under fire conditions safer than attack under fire conditions?

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  • mikeyboy411
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  • mikeyboy
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    Captain Gonzo.....

    Amen to that Capt............

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  • DeputyChiefGonzo
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  • CaptainGonzo
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    You can be aggressive and get right in and fight the fire.. after all, that's what we are paid to do.. however...

    There are structures that are lost causes the moment we arrive. Are we going to kill someone over a building that is well involved?

    That's were the "risk little to save little" comes in...otherwise.. get in, whack it hard, overhaul it, then go home with the same number of people you went to battle with!

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  • fireman4949
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  • fireman4949
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    Originally posted by ChicagoFF
    And if that doesn't work, try hitting it with your purse!
    LMAO!

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  • ChicagoFF
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  • ChicagoFF
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    Originally posted by THEFIRENUT
    First of all, I would like to make a couple of statements:
    I believe in aggressive firefighting!
    I believe in risk management!
    (If you are able to put the two together, then you should be doing a good job at the fire scene. )

    With this being said.......I don't think that there is such a thing as "saving a room". If you do save part of the structure, will the homeowner be able just repair what was damaged or will the whole thing be demolished so that they can start from scratch. Between fire, heat, smoke and water damage....it is ALL "damage".

    Depending on manpower, equipment and training, you may have to protect the exposures and let the fire burn itself out. If you are able to save some of the homeowners possessions without risking life or limb, then great. You are doing what the community needs you to do.

    All in all, just remember what MEDIC0372 posted......."Life safety is #1"
    And if that doesn't work, try hitting it with your purse!

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  • mikeyboy411
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  • mikeyboy
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    grasstrimmer.....

    Grasstrimmer,
    With the scenario that you brought up in your first post, I say get in and get the job done..... If possible, come in from the uninvolved side and start your fire attack when you reach the fire......
    I am always enertained when I hear crews say "man, that was a great save" and then when you go by and look at their "save" its little more than one room. You saved a room..... good for you. My favorite was when a crew was going off duty and telling us about how they saved this mobile home this one time....... we went by and the Insurance Adjuster was there. My Captain, myself and our FFs were talking to the Adjuster, we all got a good laugh when the Adjuster said "this is what you guys call a save, right? Just so that you know, we are going to put the wheels back on and tow the house outta here tomorrow." Come to find out, even with a lil' bit of damage this company prefers just to tow 'em off and replace them.
    When we told the crew about what the Adjuster said they all kinda chuckled..... "figures" is what I can remember one of them even saying.

    Just like in the Standard Fire Orders for wildland firefighting....... "Fight fire aggressively, having provided for safety first." It used to say "Fight fire aggressively, providing for safety first." If the fire/smoke conditions, building construction, manpower, water supply, the Departments Policies and training of the crew all support an interior attack then get the job done. If not, then re-evaluate and do whatcha can.

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