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When do you have ?Stop-Loss?

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  • When do you have ?Stop-Loss?

    Feels like a stupid question.

    My department is obsessed with Phoenix FD and implementing their terminology and command system. So far so good, but my department says ?Stop-Loss? once they think they have the fire under control. So still fighting fire, but they assume it?s under control and they will prevent additional loss. I was initially trained you?d say stop loss after salvage and overall, after you have stopped damaging the facility.

    When does your FD day it. If any of you are familiar with Phoenix, when do they say stop loss?

    thank you for the info.

  • #2
    If they are still actively fighting fire how can they claim "stop loss?" The fire itself is still doing damage and the firefighters will do damage during overhaul and mop up.

    Frankly, this obsession with cool terminology seems a bit weird to me. Does it make you a better fire department?
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      • #4
        We don't use the term. I'm not sure it has any real meaning to firefighters. We do what we need to do until we're done doing it. Who do we report this stop-loss to? Each other? Dispatch? Why?
        I guess if we did use the term I'd have a better grasp of it!


        • #5
          Every so often, somebody tries to reinvent the wheel, realizes it's already been invented, and decides to rename it instead.

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          • #6
            Only seems like it would make sense if it had a meaning to your FD. We use "knockdown" to signal we feel the fire is under control, but there is still work to be done. This lets dispatch and other untasked resources know they're unlikley to be pulled in. So if that's what "Stop/Loss" means to your FD, then it would make sense.


            • #7
              We only use "fire under control" and then when we clear. NC has really been pushing for us to log "control" times recently.


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