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  • #91
    Originally posted by RFDACM02 View Post

    An FDNY apparatus guru is why we have aluminum wheels on our Tower Ladder for the reasons noted. I agree the Roto-ray is not a necessity, but for us the visibility factor was enough to support speccing them. No doubt we all have thoughts and opinions and I wouldn't discount the use of booster reels, we just haven't used them for so long that the loss of space and the cost didn't make sense for our specs.
    I agree that at times we will disagree. Heck that's okay. If we didn't disagree we would all buy the same PPE, same helmets, gloves, scba, hose and apparatus. Amazingly we don't!
    Crazy, but that's how it goes
    Millions of people living as foes
    Maybe it's not too late
    To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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    • #92
      Originally posted by FyredUp View Post

      I agree that at times we will disagree. Heck that's okay. If we didn't disagree we would all buy the same PPE, same helmets, gloves, scba, hose and apparatus. Amazingly we don't!
      I can't imagine how much all this stuff would cost if there wasn't any competition. We can see how well that works for us at a Federal level.

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      • #93
        I guess since I started this thread I should check in...

        I've been intending to try out a few of the things discussed in this thread, but since I originally posted I got on with another department. Between being the new guy at one and carrying on with changing training requirements at the other, I've not had a chance to try much of anything.

        My new department is pretty progressive; the first out pump has low pressure fog on its 1 3/4 lines and the chief and officers like the transitional attack when the opportunity presents itself. The older apparatus run 1 1/2 lines with a mix of nozzles(lots of those Turbojets again). Smoothbores are still looked down upon.

        I'll probably have to ask for a weekend outside of normal training nights to try a few things...
        Two departments, twice the fun...

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        • #94
          Originally posted by MikeG344 View Post
          I guess since I started this thread I should check in...

          I've been intending to try out a few of the things discussed in this thread, but since I originally posted I got on with another department. Between being the new guy at one and carrying on with changing training requirements at the other, I've not had a chance to try much of anything.

          My new department is pretty progressive; the first out pump has low pressure fog on its 1 3/4 lines and the chief and officers like the transitional attack when the opportunity presents itself. The older apparatus run 1 1/2 lines with a mix of nozzles(lots of those Turbojets again). Smoothbores are still looked down upon.

          I'll probably have to ask for a weekend outside of normal training nights to try a few things...
          I have to ask...what is the gpm and NP on those low pressure nozzles?

          Turbojets are a rock solid superstar nozzle. Damn near impossible to destroy them. I would bet you have the 30, 60, 95, 125 gpm at 100 psi version. 125 isn't a bad flow, just not what i want these days.

          Smooth bores...yeah, good luck with that. The combo nozzle cult is strong and hard to convince.
          Crazy, but that's how it goes
          Millions of people living as foes
          Maybe it's not too late
          To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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          • #95
            Originally posted by FyredUp View Post

            I have to ask...what is the gpm and NP on those low pressure nozzles?

            Turbojets are a rock solid superstar nozzle. Damn near impossible to destroy them. I would bet you have the 30, 60, 95, 125 gpm at 100 psi version. 125 isn't a bad flow, just not what i want these days.

            Smooth bores...yeah, good luck with that. The combo nozzle cult is strong and hard to convince.
            150@50 Akron Assaults.

            You're right about those Turbos; all model 1715's, 100 psi.

            I can't recall what is on the 2.5" hose. Pretty sure it's all 100 psi combos.
            Two departments, twice the fun...

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            • #96
              Originally posted by MikeG344 View Post

              150@50 Akron Assaults.

              Good solid nozzle. If we didn't have our Elkhart's this would be my choice.

              You're right about those Turbos; all model 1715's, 100 psi.

              Hard to kill those nozzles. In my opinion one of the toughest nozzles ever built.

              I can't recall what is on the 2.5" hose. Pretty sure it's all 100 psi combos.

              Another battle for another day.
              Good luck!
              Crazy, but that's how it goes
              Millions of people living as foes
              Maybe it's not too late
              To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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              • #97
                Originally posted by FyredUp View Post

                Aluminum rims are not a necessity for a fire apparatus. They offer advantages in weight reduction of course, but my bet is the vaste majority of FDs buy them for the coolness factor. As for roto-rays the majority of rigs on my combo department have them and several of our neighbors do too. Heck bells on the bumper are popular around here too. The fire service is enamored with making the rig look cool, sometimes at the expense of more practical firefighting options.

                I can tell you if I am on the next apparatus spec committee will push hard for a booster reel. But only if we have set in concrete rules of engagement for it.
                There are a LOT of things that are not "necessities" for an apparatus, but there ARE a lot of things that just make working off of them better. We spec Aluminum rims on our trucks because they perform better, are easier to keep looking good, and last longer. So what if they look nice, that's just a bonus item that causes members to have pride in the truck and take care of it, which is a nice intangible benefit to have. We actually justify the reasons for the items we spec on a truck so that the Trustees understand WHY we spec a truck the way we do. Very few items we spec are for their "coolness". One of the few things we did was to spec a Power Call siren, just because it's different than the usual electronic sirens, and it really didn't cost much more, if at all than a standard one.

                We don't have roto-rays, or bells, what we do have are good quality emergency lighting, and an electronic siren and a Q. Most items are spec'd to improve safety, durability, or for ease of use.

                If you want or need a reel, fine, go ahead and spec one. We just don't use one enough to justify having one. If we had more grass or wildland fires, I'd absolutely want one, but that's not the case here.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by johnsb View Post

                  There are a LOT of things that are not "necessities" for an apparatus, but there ARE a lot of things that just make working off of them better. We spec Aluminum rims on our trucks because they perform better, are easier to keep looking good, and last longer. So what if they look nice, that's just a bonus item that causes members to have pride in the truck and take care of it, which is a nice intangible benefit to have. We actually justify the reasons for the items we spec on a truck so that the Trustees understand WHY we spec a truck the way we do. Very few items we spec are for their "coolness". One of the few things we did was to spec a Power Call siren, just because it's different than the usual electronic sirens, and it really didn't cost much more, if at all than a standard one.

                  We don't have roto-rays, or bells, what we do have are good quality emergency lighting, and an electronic siren and a Q. Most items are spec'd to improve safety, durability, or for ease of use.

                  If you want or need a reel, fine, go ahead and spec one. We just don't use one enough to justify having one. If we had more grass or wildland fires, I'd absolutely want one, but that's not the case here.
                  There are advantages to aluminum rims but they are NOT a necessity. By the way I have seen some pretty crappy looking aluminum rims that were not taken care of and some really nice looking painted steel rims.

                  My volly FD does not have a roto ray or bells either. We have quality lighting and Federal Q sirens, one mechanical and 1 EQ2B.

                  Golly thanks for permission to spec a booster reel. I feel better about it already.

                  Crazy, but that's how it goes
                  Millions of people living as foes
                  Maybe it's not too late
                  To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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