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Transitional Attack and Flow Path Control

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  • Originally posted by RFDACM02 View Post

    I see this as one of the biggest lessons for some nationwide. How often did we see (and still do) FD's arriving and taking windows before the first line is even stretched? It was/is all too common for the assignment of the OV to just take every window they can reach. Even before flow path studies this was recognized as an issue by many, but by far not all FD's. Now if we can get the public to close the door behind them and keep the cops from letting in more air...
    Police and civilians are certainly a wild card factor in all this.

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    • Originally posted by captnjak View Post
      There was a video on Statter recently where a front door was forced and left open while nozzle team awaited water and prepared for entry/advance. Before they were ready fire suddenly flashed out the door and basically in their faces. Specuation was that something may have "exploded" inside the house. My guess is a ventilation limited fire was supplied with fresh air and then did what fires do in that situation.
      Leaving a door wide open is an example of uncontrolled ventilation. It's not guaranteeing a problem but let's call it what it is and accept that it MAY cause a problem.
      I saw that video and I agree that it fed the oxygen starved fire the air it needed and the fire took off. I have seen several videos of similar events with the same results. The problem is clear, with legacy interiors the fires were fuel limited so venting most often made interior conditions better, modern interior fires are most often oxygen limited with more than enough fuel so now venting often makes conditions worse as the fire seems to explode with rapid growth. Vent early, vent often, the mantra for generations may actually be creating rapid fire spread and endangering firefighters today. NO venting should be done today, with perhaps the exception of VES with controlling the hallway door, without charged hoselines and crews ready to go. One of the greatest issues here is getting crews to understand that opening a door is indeed ventilation.
      Crazy, but that's how it goes
      Millions of people living as foes
      Maybe it's not too late
      To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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      • Originally posted by captnjak View Post

        Police and civilians are certainly a wild card factor in all this.
        True enough. WE may be able to influence the local police, but if little Billy Joe, or Gramma is in there, we may not have much of a chance with civilians.
        Crazy, but that's how it goes
        Millions of people living as foes
        Maybe it's not too late
        To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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