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  • Originally posted by FWDbuff View Post

    So I don't think the problem is with the IRC because if it were up to them the fire would have been out long before the Fire Department even gets called.
    Point noted that the IRC and NFPA 101 have said all new homes must be sprinklered, but alas, we all know most states will remove the sprinkler requirements and we'll be left with Codes that rely on a comprehensive set of requirements with huge holes in them, and the tiny houses will end up less safe.

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    • Originally posted by RFDACM02 View Post
      Point noted that the IRC and NFPA 101 have said all new homes must be sprinklered, but alas, we all know most states will remove the sprinkler requirements and we'll be left with Codes that rely on a comprehensive set of requirements with huge holes in them, and the tiny houses will end up less safe.
      Correct. Which is not the cause of the ICC or the NFPA. It is a result of the politicians in the various states that vote to gut the mandates of the adopted codes. In Pennsylvania, I opt to blame the Pa House, who inserted provisions into Act 45 (The Pa Uniform Construction Code, which adopts the IRC) to negate the sprinkler requirements at the behest of the Home Builder's Association's lobbyists. Because god forbid we sprinkler the house but not the lawn. In most areas of Pa, an NFPA13D system costs an average of $1.80 a square foot- cheaper than upgrading to granite counter tops.
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      • So if the builders are right the home buyers don't want to buck up for sprinklers. The same home buyers who don't want to pay higher taxes or subscription services for fire protection.
        The logical conclusion is that the American public is OK with deaths, injuries and lost property due to fires.
        So why should we ever risk anything to save them?
        Many people can't even be bothered to replace the batteries in their smoke detectors twice a year.

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        • Originally posted by captnjak View Post
          So if the builders are right the home buyers don't want to buck up for sprinklers. The same home buyers who don't want to pay higher taxes or subscription services for fire protection.
          The logical conclusion is that the American public is OK with deaths, injuries and lost property due to fires.
          So why should we ever risk anything to save them?
          Many people can't even be bothered to replace the batteries in their smoke detectors twice a year.
          Interesting question you pose. So why should we ever risk anything to save them? Is it a moral duty that we accept? Is it the danger, the challenge, pushing ourselves farther than we think we can or should? Or for some is it just a job that pays the bills, gives them insurance, and a decent retirement and they accept a certain level of risk for those things?

          The apathy of the masses, and the greed and corruption of SOME builders and politicians has ALWAYS been a factor. If it wasn't, after major tragedies, and even minor ones, the fire service would be able to affect code changes to prevent re-occurrences and enforce penalties that had teeth for those that violate fire prevention codes.

          So in the end it boils down to us doing what we do for our personal reasons that no one can define for us but ourselves.
          Last edited by FyredUp; 09-11-2017, 10:34 AM.
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          Maybe it's not too late
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          • Originally posted by captnjak View Post
            Many people can't even be bothered to replace the batteries in their smoke detectors twice a year.
            This is why we need to mandate some safety requirements across numerous products and services. At some point, as we "allow" less safe construction materials and more for lack of more detailed description, more combustible furnishings, we need to require sprinklers to offset human nature to risk life when people have not personally been intimate with fire. We require seatbelts, motorcycle helmets, very detailed electrical code items, food safety regs, etc , etc. It's time to make new American homes safer for the occupants and our future firefighters.

            And in my experience in the residential construction field, the firefighting business and Life Safety Code enforcement, the average person who has a home built has very little concept of the cost breakdown until shown. They know what they want and the know what they can afford, as long as those two things come relatively close, they'll build. They don't ask about cutting corners on the electrical, they don't ask for under engineered trusses, they only work within those items that are "optional" or have multiple options. If sprinklers were part of the same requirements as electrical code compliance, structural engineering and proper plumbing, they'd just work with what was left in their budget for the options.
            Last edited by RFDACM02; 09-11-2017, 11:32 AM.

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