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How Do You Use TIC During Search

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  • #31
    Originally posted by Dude In The Car View Post
    TIC's have been around for over a decade, it seems that it would be covered a bit more in-depth (in the typical training books or even that IFSAC crap(and if it is in there I apologize up front, cause I sure haven't seen it)) as it is a phenomenal tool. I feel sure you can grab a firefighter from Florida and one from Nevada and stick them together to do a blind search and they'll hook right up and go because the training is essentially standard across the country. So why is this not the same?

    I attached the linked to a site that teaches the doorway cameraman.

    This is the manner in which we were originally taught. We sorta dumped this method after our first few attempts with it, one after our blind search guy was directed to search behind a bed, out of camera view, and missed finding the simulated victim, all while the guy that 'could see' was standing at the door. Now like most people that are in this line of work, I don't like to fail, especially at this task. So we modified it to what you described, reversing the roles, sending the cameraman in checking the blind spots. Searches can be done much quicker it seems, but it adds some newer perils, like the cameraman running away from the crew and increases chances of disorientation. But nothing training wouldn't iron out, which I had hoped someone had already done.

    My intentions are to teach both, and do drills on both and let them decide on their own. And, it's not that they picked me because I'm so awesome, it's more like, the State has made it damn near impossible to be a fire instructor, and it is a substantial burden on small departments and their staff to jump thru all the hoops to become one.
    the guy with the TIC tends to outrun the rest when he leads ---we still have him (the guy with the tic) lead -but he hands it off when we encounter large obstacles and he searches by feel and /or asks for the tic back and looks and feels .
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    • #32
      Just wondering if, during your TIC training, you've placed handwarmers on your rescue dummies to simulate looking for a "warm" body during your rescue operations.

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      • #33
        Wouldn't you want the body to be the coolest thing in the room?

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        • #34
          Originally posted by slackjawedyokel View Post

          the guy with the TIC tends to outrun the rest when he leads ---we still have him (the guy with the tic) lead -but he hands it off when we encounter large obstacles and he searches by feel and /or asks for the tic back and looks and feels .
          This was a big concern we had. It very much seemed the cameraman was pulling the team thru the building, which wasn't good for thier orientation. Another issue that we found was that cameraman can easily get disoriented when relying too much on what he/she perceives to see. I always found it better to look at an object, then put camera down and crawl to it.

          Overall the cameraman kinda took the role of the wall man to remain oriented and progress thru the building on the wall. scanning, and moving, crew integrity, repeat. When an object obscures the ability to 'see', the crew stops, and cameraman goes and scans all around it and then returns to the crew. If a victim is found, really anything can transpire, as long as orientation to the wall is retained.

          Most our scenarios used a real person or a rescue randy. We never did any temperature manipulation to randy, but its a cool idea. The cameras these days are outstanding as far as quality, even when room temps have mostly equalized. Im not sure I like all the color add ons, seems distracting to me, reckon I better adjust...

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