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  • #16
    This thread got me to looking last night, I seen a video of almost the same scenario in Calf. and one in Fla. and all three were handled in much the same way, which tells me we are all guilty, I know I have been many times, mostly of getting in to much of a hurry, and one vision, get to the patient.

    I am not picking these guys apart but using these pictures to pick all of us apart.

    In pic #3 we see all three men gathered around an unstablized vehicle that they can’t do a thing with until the rescue arrives instead of stopping the traffic from running through the scene. In pic #22 we can see the woman is probably ok, but this is a long time into the rescue. Why do we not see a rescuer inside holding C-spine or at least supporting some of her weight? (Is she ok or is she in shock and just saying she is?) In pic #14 we can see two step chocks in place, and as mentioned before with the shape and angel of the SUV that was probably pretty stable until you look at pic # 13 with his weight moving around on top and the weight of the door opening and them pushing and pulling on the other side. Is it possible for it to flip over? (Very)!! Then look at pic# 20 (maybe he is praying it don’t) It takes less than two minutes to set two struts. I count at least 18 men on scene and three doing the cutting.
    Who disconnected the battery? Look at pic #44 who stripped the trim to revile the airbag canister?
    There is a lot of unnecessary risk because we all want to be up front and from the other videos and my own experience we are all guilty.

    But I still say, That is some pretty cutting.
    Last edited by LeeJunkins; 01-03-2007, 03:01 AM.
    http://www.midsouthrescue.org
    Is it time to change our training yet ?

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    • #17
      Wow, I didn't realize how many perfect departments and firefighters there were out there.

      I'm more confused by the volunteer ambulance in NYC than anything.

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      • #18
        There's the "street" way, the "book" way, and the "safety" way.
        "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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        • #19
          No one said anything about being perfect, we all make mistakes, just some constructive thoughts on what we see. As for being different ways of doing things (street, book, safe) there is still right and not so right! I agree that experience and "street knowledge" are the best ways to come up with an plan, not soley the book, and as I stated versitility is a must in all operation. Why limit yourself?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by PGTL33 View Post
            Great stabilization by the infamous FDNY?!
            Originally posted by PGTL33
            just some constructive thoughts
            Yup. And I'll agree, a happy medium between the 3 is good.
            "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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            • #21
              If you’re not going to stabilize the neck and spine, why not just leave the wood in the truck?

              Stay Safe

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              • #22
                Hello,

                I've just registered here to say that I'm glad that my pictures came in handy here and to thank all of you guys, wherever you are, for the work you do.

                Best regards,

                Alex.
                Brooklyn, NY.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by krassphoto View Post
                  Hello,

                  I've just registered here to say that I'm glad that my pictures came in handy here and to thank all of you guys, wherever you are, for the work you do.

                  Best regards,

                  Alex.
                  Brooklyn, NY.
                  Hi Alex,
                  Thanks for the work you do too.
                  Some of the best training in the world is on this forum and as you see we argue back and forth and pick these things apart, and in the end we have some of the best training that can be had anywhere.
                  And a lot of it comes from a picture that some one on the side lines took.
                  http://www.midsouthrescue.org
                  Is it time to change our training yet ?

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                  • #24
                    Thanks, Lee
                    Yes, you're really picking the smallest details apart here. That's what I call a Professionalism!

                    I checked the Exif Data in the images and here is some timing info:

                    10:55:27 - accident happened (pic# 027)(the ambulance just luckily happened to be passing by)
                    10:59:29 - firemen arrived and started working (pic#031)
                    11:07:58 - the lady was completely removed from the SUV (pic#006)

                    Hope this will be helpful.

                    Regards,
                    Alex.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by PGTL33 View Post
                      Not to concerned with gloves and eyes, that is their own choice, as much as my concern about the proper stabilization techniques(SP?).

                      There should be no choice about the use of gloves and eye protection at any MVA
                      Luke

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                      • #26
                        Another thing to remember is FDNY doesn't carry any struts, rescue jacks or anything like that on the engines or trucks.

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