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  • Where is the Eagle?

    This is not an Extrication post so to speak. But Recently I was visiting a friend of mine in southern PA, He was at a publice event sponsored by his Fire Department. My Friend had a Missisauga Ontario FD Extrication team Hat on, So I busted on him about the Canadian Maple leaf on his hat (pretty much standard with any piece of Canadian FD casual apparel). My Buddy pointed that the Canadians seem to recognize their sense of patriotism and feel free to advertise it! My Guestion to all of us is why do we as Americans tend to stay away from this? I know I never thought of it till my friend and Chatted about this. I have just put this out there as food for thought and hopefully some inspiration to us all to think about adding the Flag or the Eagle to our Casual where! Firefighters were and shall continue to be at the fore front of the war on terrorism! Again I appologize about this not being an EXTRICATION thing! I hope this post plants a seed, Please feel free to spread the word if you think this is a good idea! <img src="cool.gif" border="0">
    Rescue is the Art & Science of matching your tools, talents and tricks to needs of our customers!
    Carl D. Avery

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    It's an interesting question. It's only just last week I was talking to my fiancee about how patriotic you guys are to your country and that we envy it in some ways!

    When the 911 tragedy occurred, every second photo or news bulletin had pictures of someone or something with the US flag in it- I found it to be really inspirational, for want of a better word. It seemed to show support and solidarity to each other and to the rest of the world. It seemed to portray that, "Hey, I'm from the USA, and no matter what you do to us- we're in this together and we will not be beaten!".

    I wish we were just like that over here in Oz! I'm proud of my dept and the service I do and quite happily wear our company t-shirts, etc, but nothing shows the Aussie flag or Aussie colours.

    I'm an Aussie, and I'm just as proud as you guys are of your country- even if you guys are from the wrong side of the world and beleive imperial measurement is better and drive on the wrong side of the road and talk with funny accents and use funny money and play a funny version of our beloved football or "Aussie Rules", and don't forget we won the "America's Cup" off you one year, just to prove we are better!!!! <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> <img src="confused.gif" border="0"> <img src="tongue.gif" border="0"> <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

    I say to everyone- show your flags, show your colours to the world- it shows that we are "together", no matter what happens!

    That's my thoughts anyway...... <br /> <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="cool.gif" border="0">

    [ 01-02-2002: Message edited by: lutan ]

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    Luke

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    • #3
      Hey Carl- I've been thinking about this a bit more....

      You may have "The Duke" <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">

      But we have Nicole Kidman <img src="cool.gif" border="0"> <br />and Elle McPherson <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> <br />"Babes-mmmmmmmmmm"<br />They're the only symbols I want on my stuff!!!<br /> <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
      Luke

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      • #4
        Geess Carl, take a casual conversation and turn it into a posting, like nobody knows who your buddy in southern Pa is. To Clarify what Carl is saying we were just noting all the suden display of pride and patriotism since 9-11 it does tug at the heart strings to see that, however many of us had our flags flying before 9-11. Why did it take such a tragic event to bring out the flags, why is it that only now every sports team from high school to the pros proudly display the colors? Through my travels of the past few years I have gathered 30-40 canadian fire service tee shirts and hats, and every single one of them have at least one maple leaf on them somewhere. However my whole closet full of US fire dept appearol has very few flags or eagles. Kinda makes ya go hmmmm, maybe now is the time to take a lesson from our good neighbors to the north and incoroprate our symbols of pride also. Just a thought....

        Zmag

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        • #5
          We are so proud of our country up here that we even drink beer with the maple leaf on it. It reminds us that we dominate in areas such as hockey (60% of all NHL players are Canadian) hosting the nightly news in the US, recording hit songs and albums (can anyone say Shania and not drool?), starring in block buster movies (yah baby yah, does that make you randy), and supplying the only quality acting on Baywatch (run Pamela run). Not bad for a country of only 30 million people using free healthcare. And lets not get started on how often the World Fire Fighter Challenge trophy spends more time in Canada than any other country.

          So raise a Molson Canadian and toast your neighbors and friends and proudly claim "I am Canadian!" or next best "I live close to Canada!"

          When you love your country you should be proud to display its symbols no matter what the circumstances.

          I am very proud to be your neighbour.

          John Woltjer<br />Hythe, Alberta<br />Canada

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          • #6
            Can't top that John. I think I'll head for the fridge and get one of the "Leaf Cans". I have learned alot from all my Canadian friends over the past few years, and not just in extrication.

            "Heres to ya eh'"

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            • #7
              I think it was President Theodore Roosevelt who said, "Walk softly and carry a big stick." Perhaps prior to 9-11-01 we were so used to being the "world's policeman" that we felt no need to "toot our own horn." We were lulled into thinking our "big stick" protected us from such acts of war. Now that we know different, we are displaying our flag, which if you look at history, is truly the "symbol" of a country in battle. It is what we rally around to show our strength.

              I would very much like to see a national standard for a location to post the U.S. Flag on every piece of fire apparatus, ambulance and police car. I would also be interested in seeing a similar "standard" for placing the U.S. Flag on uniforms from public service agenices.
              Richard Nester
              Orrville (OH) Fire Dept.

              "People don't care what you know... until they know that you care." - Scott Bolleter

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              • #8
                Maybe not casual attire, but to all of us that <br />have a traditional fire helmet what is the shield <br />holder. It sure ain't no crow.

                But, It is too bad it took a tragedy like what <br />happened for people to display their flags and eagles, I must admit I am guilty. But, we don't <br />or any other country have to display these things on our fire apparel, as we show enough pride in our country risking our lives to keep the people of our country safe.

                Although it would be nice to see more of it.
                Proud to be IACOJ Illinois Chapter--Deemed "Crustworthy" Jan, 2003

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                • #9
                  Thank you bunches Mff for mentioning the Eagle, I was beginning to think I was the only one who had one. But some of the newer helmets come out with the faceshield holder stamped as a maltese cross. <br />And to HVFDFC-<br />(Nothing but fun intended from here on) <br />No. 1 the majority of firefighters will drink a beer with a Maple Leaf, Poison Ivy leaf or any other type vegetation you put on the can as long as it has beer. <br />No. 2 From the country that gave us Shania, and we do by all means thank you for that, you do notice she came here to people that appreciate her music.<br />No. 3 You win on the hockey issue only because it's too cold up there to play football. And I'd rather have a 300 lb lineman for the bears than a 150 pound reformed figure skater with a stick on my side.<br />No. 4 last but not lease,, When exactly did they get any quality acting on Baywatch????

                  Who love ya' brother.... <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

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                  • #10
                    You caught me. I admit we drink any kind of beer as long as it is cold. And even though we gave you Shania to enjoy, we also gave you Tom Green although we will never admit he is Canadian.

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                    • #11
                      Hey, they play football up in Canada, but the field is longer, wider, and they only get three downs (or is it four downs but 15 yards?). You know, there's a Canadian Football Leauge team in Las Vegas (amongst other places in the U.S).

                      You've got to watch those squirrely Canadians-soon they will have infiltrated more than just our entertainment venues!

                      Oh, and thanks for The Crash Test Dummies. Next time, don't let them cross the border, eh?

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                      As far as displaying the eagle, I have always identified the flag as our national symbol more than the eagle, but I'm happy to see both displayed proudly.

                      I was slightly disturbed after 9-11 that on every radio and TV station, you heard "God Bless America" over and over. It's a great song, but where was "The Star Spangled Banner", our national anthem?

                      [ 01-05-2002: Message edited by: Silver City 4 ]</p>
                      Bryan Beall
                      Silver City, Oklahoma USA

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                      • #12
                        DEAR CARL,WEARING AN AMERICAN FLAG OR AN EAGLE GIVES PEOPLE A SENSE OF CONNECTION TO WHAT HAPPENED ON 9-11.WHEN I SEE A PERSON WEARING A PATRIOTIC SYMBOL ON THEIR CLOTHING,I FEEL CLOSE TO THIS PERSON.HAVING BEEN AT THE WTC ON 9-11 AND EXPERIENCING ALL THE HORRORS OF THAT DAY,I FEEL THIS PERSON IS IN SOME SMALL WAY SAYING THAT ALL THE FF'S WHO DIED THAT DAY,AND ALL THE RESCUE WORKERS WHO RESPONDED ARE NOT BEING FORGOTTEN.ALSO THEY ARE SHOWING THEIR PATRIOTISM TO OUR GREAT COUNTRY.AND IF I SEE A PERSON WHO IS NOT AN AMERICAN I FEEL THAT THE REST OF THE WORLD HAS NOT FORGOTTEN US AND WHAT WE WENT THROUGH. MIKE M

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                        • #13
                          Mike,<br />First of all let me say thank you for being there! I truly mean that, There are Thousands of us here in the US and even our Hockey playing brothers north of the boarder that were and are ready and willing to be there to do what ever we could! I also must agree WE must never forget the Men and Women that gave their last full measure do what ever they could to aleviate the surfering and death caused by this treacherous and Dasterdly act! We Must recognize and remember as we have been told WE are the Front Line, the first responders in this New kind of war. Whether it is a small rural town in PA or a High Rise building in NY or the Seat of Our Military or where ever it may happen again, God FORBID! WE will be the first responders! Protecting and serving our fellow American and those that present themselves as our Honored guest (as opposed to those who abuse our freedoms to hurt us) of our fair land. Wasn't it Chief Cooker who said something like this-> That the act of heroism is signing up to fight fire - all else is merely our Job! God Bless America and God Bless all of us that give of ourselves to protect our community

                          [ 01-05-2002: Message edited by: Carl Avery ]</p>
                          Rescue is the Art & Science of matching your tools, talents and tricks to needs of our customers!
                          Carl D. Avery

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                          • #14
                            Dear Carl,i just want to say from the bottom of my heart THANK YOU,I would guess there were 1000's of rescue workers there who would feel honored by what you so gracefully wrote.i feel that we,the rescuers were there waiting for the victims to come and they never came. mike m GOD BLESS THE 343 BROTHERS,MAY GOD REST THEIR SOULS

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