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    Lewiston2FF
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  • Lewiston2Capt
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    IMHO the senior fire officer on scene should be in command of the MVA scene, I would hope that the IC would have some medical knowledge, but if not they should have enough sence to accept the judgement of whoever is providing pt care. A closed mind has no place at any scene. <br /> My personal experience is that if I need more manpower to tend to patients, I request it through my chief and he trusts my judgement. My chief has minimal medical experience/training, and he would prefer to keep it that way. I dont mind that until he stops listening to those with medical experience on scenes that involve medical decisions.

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  • ALSfirefighter
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    10-75, I agree with you that the engine company should have been there with you to help you with packaging. Regardless of whether or not it was 5 transports or 5 RMA's. We also have the privilidge here of clearing c-spine so that may have aided in the amount of time on the highway. But even still then I would have had the extra personnel there with me. Did you ask the IC to have the engine company come in? I've been in your shoes, and more times than not even your chief won't say something to the other chief, so the problem doesn't get rectified. We have senior officer postions filled by non-medically trained people. However law does say the highest officer on scene from the FD is in overall command of the scene. However, most have an idea of what it entails or if they don't will ask us if we need any additional resources. Plus with most of us being either FF/EMT's or FF/Medics those not actively involved in patient care will chime up about any extra resources that may be needed.

    Hey dragon, how come you haven't reposted. Oh yeah I forgot you opened your mouth before you had the facts. I have that same problem with some vollies where I work. And ya know what, they were the same way when I was vollie also and I told them that. And you know what, I'm my time off I volunteer to build low-incoming housing, and I also feed and play with dogs at the local shelter. <br />I apologize to the regulars who know me and know I do not normally engage in such personal retoric, however his post hit me the wrong way today.<br />-----------------------------------------------<br />The above is my opinion only and doesn't reflect that of any dept/agency I work for, deal with, or am a member of. <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

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  • 10-75k
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    MetalMedic:

    You seem like an intelligent person. I don't want to get into the paid/volunteer debate on this subject (I'll fight that battle some other time.) The subject matter on this topic it that the IC should have EMS training on MVC's. If it wasn't for EMS there would be no need for the fire dept. on MVC's. The person could just climb out the window. The thing that I guess I'm getting at is that the IC needs EMS training to understand pt care and what other resources might be needed. On this incident I told the IC what I needed and he looked at me with this blank stare.

    [ 12-28-2001: Message edited by: rmoore ]</p>

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  • res7cue
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    Amen Metal on the volly/ career crap.

    The PA laws are very similar to yours, ie;

    The Fire Chief, Senior Officer, Duty OFficer is in charge of the overall incident as the IC, while the highest trained EMS officer/ personnel are in charge of PATIENT CARE. Everyone in our county knows that and works very well together for the most part.

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  • MetalMedic
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  • MetalMedic
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    Traffic crashes here in Ohio can get tricky when legally, the Fire Chief or the most senior Fire Officer is in charge of the "emergency" scene. However, legally, the highest trained medical person on the scene is responsible for the nature of patient care. Most of the time these are two different people and that is where the urination contest often begins. With that said, in the situation you describe, one EMT for five patients is not reasonable and whoever was the "senior" EMT on that scene should have been pleading his/her case to the Incident Commander to get more EMTs for the patients.

    Now, not knowing what politics are involved behind the scene in this case, I am not sure how you could fix your particular problem. As for the IC needing medical training, around here that has not been a big problem as long as the IC respects the decisions of those who do have such training and accept their advise on the scene.

    [ 12-28-2001: Message edited by: rmoore ]</p>

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  • 10-75k
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    started a topic IC commad at MVC's

    IC commad at MVC's

    What qualifies an officer to be either the IC or Ops officer at MVC? This question stems from a call I was on the other day. A one vehcile MVC into a gruad rail with 5 Pt ranging in age from 40yrs to 10 months (2A,3C). There was no entrapment all persons were out upon fire dept. arrival. The first due rescue had no EMTS and the second due had one. The incoming enigne company I believe had at least 3 EMTS. Most serious injury was a broken arm. The IC who was a mutual aid chief with at least 10 yrs. of experience was the first on location and took command. Now ready for the math there are 5 pt going to the hospital they all get collar and long board it takes 4 FF to properly long board some one and 1 EMT for 5 pt. The IC told the engine crew to stage at the overpass and not to enter the highway. (By the way I was the one EMT and the IC is not.) Now I'm not the smartest person in the world but I think it is pretty tough for one EMT to handle 5 pts, and for things to get done right.

    I feel that unless the IC has some kind of medical training that he/she should not be in charge. And I also feel they should be at least an EMT.

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