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  • #16
    Paid,vollie,who cares! Fire is fire and mva's are mva's.Um I keep forgetting that these cars are carrying gas and oil and lets see whatelse can you find in someones car?Or better yet how about a delivery truck.No need for the fd at a MVA?I think you better back up and do another walk around.Thats in my seriously humble opinion. [quote] <hr></blockquote>Fire lives it breathes and it hates(plus it doesnt care if you are paid or vollie when it burns you.so stay low. <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> )

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    • #17
      I've been watching this debate since it was launched on 12/26 and I am glad to see that it seems to be taking a turn for the better!

      In my opinion, I think Lewiston2Capt, SFDchief and ALSfirefighter were all leading up to the same end result that was so well-stated by our friend from Australia . . . the need for good communication between the IC (whoever it may be)and all personnel operating at the scene of an incident. ALSfirefighter hit the nail on the head - we MUST overcome the ego issue to avoid micromanagement on any type of emergency scene we may be operating at.

      My department is totally volunteer. We are strictly a fire & rescue department and our first-due area is covered by a separate paid ambulance service. While I operate as the IC at mva's in our coverage area, I base our rescue activities on the needs of responding EMS units. This loose type of "unified command" only works for us because of good communication between the medics and my fire personnel.

      It seems (to me anyway) that the initial question posed by 10-75k was more a result of an IC with an ego than an IC with no medical background. Paid and volunteer alike - I think that many IC's would be well-served to take an occasional look at why they make the decisions they do. It is not always easy to admit, especially in front of your peers, that you do not have all the answers. As IC's, we need to constantly remember that we are all there for the same reason - to give the victim(s) the best service possible. It is not possible to do this while feeding an ego.

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      • #18
        Now that we've danced around the issue, and deviated to another whole mess of issues with the Vollie, vs. Career rhetoric. Let's get down to the nuts and bolts of it. Does the IC of an MVA need to be medically qualified? The answer is a resounding NO. <br /> I am 20+ years in service, an emt of 18 years + with a strong love of ems. All that resume crap aside, the IC position has to do with deployment of your available resources, and assurance that you have enroute, or available resources to meet with whatever obstacles you have on scene. If I am in an IC position on the mentioned mva, every available medical person on scene would be on a pt. But the scenario you mentioned sounds more like dept. politics, and personal issues than it does fire and rescue priorities.<br /> The entire Incident Command System is what you make of it. It is merely an tool to assist in getting the job done. What one or two individuals do with it, or how the prioritize a specific incident is not a problem with the ICS, but the individual. IMHO

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        • #19
          Our town has separate Police, Fire and EMS departments that have a consistent history of working well together. We have the additional advantage of being dispatched by the same center.

          For MVAs, Sr. Fire Officer (Lt. or above) is IC regardless of background. EMS designates "Medical Command" and coordinates with IC for support and assistance.

          We use this structure at every MVA and it works well for us - we don't overcomplicate the obvious. Very simple to use for the 1 vehicle, 1 pt calls (typically Med Command is working on pt at the time) and scales well to multi-vehicle multi-pt calls.

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          • #20
            AMEN LADDERCAPP. I am sure each area of this country varies in how the Incident Command System and its struture are developed, as well as how the ego's of the members of each department are evolved.

            Truth is, as stated above by Laddercapp, the Incident Command system is a tool for the Fire-EMS-Rescue-Police Agencies to utilize. No where in any Command Class that I have had the pleasure of taking, is there a chapter that says YOU MUST DO THIS.

            We can go on forever on this, but it really doesn't matter where you are from and wether you are a volunteer or paid person, or from the biggest to smallest agency, if it works keep doing it, if its broke fix it.

            Communications, Hmm, pretty simple thing to do. Leave the ego's at the door and talk with your Mutual aid companies. Wonders never cease.

            Keep doing it for the right reasons!!!!!!

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            • #21
              I think that I have to give a little more back ground...................

              There is an Interstate hwy that runs thru both these towns. The two depts. are all volunteer, they do all the extrciation and EMS is sep. The one dept. that I belong has 13 EMT's. So when we go to MVC's we end up jumping into the EMS role alot, because the EMS squad is just not agressive enough and doesn't do extrication and has no training in this area. The standard respones is 2 rescues, 1 engine, and 2 squads other resouces are add as needed.

              Usually what ever chief gets there first regardless of who's town it is in takes charge. Someone posted something about ego? Well there right. Me being the highest medical person on sence relayed to the chief first to his face and then thru a Cap. that the engine co. was needed to enter the hwy. because I knew they had EMT's on board. ALS was recalled by me because they were not needed everything could be handle by BLS. The chief also did not relay this to dispatch. When the medics walked up I knew one of them and he asked what was going on? I told him that they were not needed and was sorry that the chief would not recall them. ALS made them selves ava. and went on there way. Finally he had the engine co. enter the hwy., but this caused a delay were pt. could have been geting backboarded and collar before the squads got there. Not to mention it was [email protected]#$% cold outside!

              I felt that a IC who has EMS background would have had this all taken care of by the time I got out of the back of the rescue. Instead care was delayed and I had to quickly triage the pt. and get care started by myself with and engine co. with emt's on it watching from the overpass for sometime.

              Ego being if you want to be THE BIG DOG at a MVC you'd better know what you are doing!!!!!!!!! My fire chief is and EMT and if he had gotten there first I know none of this cluster would have happened.
              "You can't volunteer to be a doctor on the weekends"

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