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  • Battery Powered Hydraulic Tools

    Does anyone have experience with the newer battery operated hydraulic tools such as the Hurst ones. Looking for any pros or cons that people have noticed.

  • #2
    Try a search,expand it to like a 90 day period. We've discussed this "recently"but I'm not remembering all the details, T.C.

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    • #3
      Thanks for the help Rescue101.

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      • #4
        Here are a couple videos I found of the new Hurst Edraulic Tools

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz6qvpxPhIQ

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiWhQxHzE5s

        Have not had the opportunity to evaluate these yet but they appear to be bulky.

        These are the weights that Hurst lists for these tools:

        S700E Cutter 54.8 lbs. (without power source)
        S211E Cutter 38.5 lbs. (without power source)
        SP300E Spreader 44.0 lbs (without power source)

        Unable to locate the exact weight of the Bosch Battery Packs they utilize but would estimate these to be somewhere between 1.5 and 2.5 additional pounds.

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        • #5
          I used a set of these during an extrication class about a month ago. They are BIG, and heavy, but it was nice that there was no hose to get tangled up with. They worked much better than the connected ram we had that was coupled to a too small a pump for the tool.

          I can't really tell you how long a battery would last, but they would worked fine for a rather complicated evolution.
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          • #6
            BCT from holmatro is awesome love the tool

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            • #7
              Just used a set last weekend, More power than standard hyd tools and weigh about 5 lbs more but managable.

              They open faster, no hose in the way, no pump to carry to extrication site and they take up less room in compartment and you dont need to keep gas for the pump.

              We removed 10 doors, 3 roofs, 3 trunk lids and 4 b pillars at the floor on 4 batteries. Hurst is working on a cord to plug the tool in a 120 volt source.

              Cars was a Saturn,Buick and chevy.

              Overall they performed very well and are about $7800 each for cutter and spreader

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              • #8
                110V cord comes with the tool. Each tool comes with 2 batteries and charger, plus the 110v cord. Hurst claims the batteries are good for 30 minutes of CONTINOUS use. The charger will charge a battery in 30 minutes.

                Right now, they have a spreader, 2 cutters, and a ram. A combi-tool is coming soon.
                Last edited by MEAN15; 02-25-2011, 08:04 AM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by rellik74 View Post
                  Just used a set last weekend, More power than standard hyd tools and weigh about 5 lbs more but managable.

                  They open faster, no hose in the way, no pump to carry to extrication site and they take up less room in compartment and you dont need to keep gas for the pump.

                  We removed 10 doors, 3 roofs, 3 trunk lids and 4 b pillars at the floor on 4 batteries. Hurst is working on a cord to plug the tool in a 120 volt source.

                  Cars was a Saturn,Buick and chevy.

                  Overall they performed very well and are about $7800 each for cutter and spreader
                  Using WHO's tool as a criteria? There is NO WAY a battery powered tool is going to have MORE power that a gas or Pto powered hyd tool. At $7800 that would put them on par with a conventional hydraulic tool. We've had ZERO luck with battery powered tools,part of this is due to the way the batteries are used. We've also had ZERO problems with our generators and they run well over an hour on a tank of fuel.No battery change required. T.C.

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                  • #10
                    The Rescue Squad that I used to be a part of had a set of battery powered Hurst tools. Mostly they used them as a backup set to throw in the Suburban or They would use them in situations where you wouldnt want a gas motor. I only got to use them once and it was in training and I was not much for them but the powers that be wanted them
                    Do not let the ghosts of our fallen brothers gaze upon you and ask " What have you done to my profession?" FTB DTRT EGH

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                    • #11
                      The new e tools from hurst have a closing power over 100000 psi as hosed units are at 60000 psi

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                      • #12
                        Hurst E-tools

                        Where are finding the specs for the Hurst E-tools?? Their site is pretty vague and I could not find closing forces (which are a sham across the board).

                        You compare forces but some documentation would be helpful.

                        Thanks

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Isitjustme View Post
                          Where are finding the specs for the Hurst E-tools?? Their site is pretty vague and I could not find closing forces (which are a sham across the board).

                          You compare forces but some documentation would be helpful.

                          Thanks
                          the eDRAULICS tools are actualy manufactured by Lukas who is also part of the IDEX Rescue Group (HURST Jaws of Life, LUKAS, Dinglee, VETTER)

                          All of the specs are listed on the Lucas website http://www.lukas.com/rescue/

                          *(The tool weights are also without cable plug or battery)

                          SP 300 E Spreader
                          http://www.lukas.com/rescue/Rescue+P.../SP+300+E.html

                          S 700 E Cutter
                          http://www.lukas.com/rescue/Rescue+P...s/S+700+E.html

                          S 311 E Cutter
                          http://www.lukas.com/rescue/Rescue+P...s/S+311+E.html

                          R 411 E Ram
                          http://www.lukas.com/rescue/Rescue+P...s/R+411+E.html
                          Last edited by ejfeicht; 02-26-2011, 01:43 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by rellik74 View Post
                            The new e tools from hurst have a closing power over 100000 psi as hosed units are at 60000 psi
                            And my new cutter is 242,000 Closing lbs(121 TONS). See what I'm getting at? NO battery powered tool is going to match a Gas or Pto unit. Sorry,but think about it for a minute. You have a BATTERY running a SMALL electric motor running a pump. OR you have a 400 hp engine running a PTO multi unit pump or a 6 Hp gas engine doing the same thing. The pumps are BIGGER, higher flow because the bigger powerplants can support it. Same with sawsalls,check the amperage. AMPS= POWER. Batttery units are handy but they will NOT have more POWER than an engine driven unit. T.C.
                            Last edited by Rescue101; 02-26-2011, 04:54 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Rescue101 View Post
                              And my new cutter is 242,000 Closing lbs(121 TONS). See what I'm getting at? NO battery powered tool is going to match a Gas or Pto unit. Sorry,but think about it for a minute. You have a BATTERY running a SMALL electric motor running a pump. OR you have a 400 hp engine running a PTO multi unit pump or a 6 Hp gas engine doing the same thing. The pumps are BIGGER, higher flow because the bigger powerplants can support it. Same with sawsalls,check the amperage. AMPS= POWER. Batttery units are handy but they will NOT have more POWER than an engine driven unit. T.C.
                              They are not listing the actual forces for this cutter only the NFPA ratings of A8/ B9/ C8/ D9/ E9 and EN-Class BC 182 H-24.

                              From the Lukas Website: "To ensure that you are optimally prepared, LUKAS no longer takes part in the race for theoretical maximum force. With the S 700 E, we have instead developed a cutter in which blade opening and force application are perfectly matched to the relevant working range."

                              Even if they have the technology to achieve those forces in a battery operated tools they are extremely heavy tools.

                              The most powerful cutter they are listing is the S700E which weighs in at 54.0 pounds without a battery or cable plug. Add the weight of the Bosch battery pack and you have a over 55 pounds of cutter. This is 8 pounds more than their equivalent non-battery operated model cutter the S700.

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