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    Okay. Opinion gathering time. If you had to push or roll the dash, instrument panel, and front structure forward on this side of this Saturn, what do you do to create an 'anchor point' for your pushing tool?
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  • #2
    Gotta love "hide a doors". We would PROBABLY take a section cut under the A post(after you removed as much of the roof and door as necessary) on both sides and lift with the spreader. AFTER properly stabilizing the car INCLUDING letting air out of the tires IF NECESSARY. I have a set of ram sets(push plates) for older vehicles I BELIEVE would work on this car,they are longer than modern versions. T.C.

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    • #3
      Preferred route would be to jack the dash however the rocker panels appear that they would easily accomidate a rocker panel bracket that would serve as anchor point for an HRT ram to roll the dash.
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      • #4
        We have also used these devices in training programs for an anchor point on the rocker panel. http://www.thetarheel.com/tarheel.html
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        • #5
          First, would try the lift.

          Second would be the rocker panel block with long ram.

          Have also seen the rocker panel block held in place with a spreader...was not a big fan of that idea.
          "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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          • #6
            drive a haligan into the rocker panel and ram of that.Or chock from the C post back toward the front until your ram can extend the distance you need.Or, use large spreaders to clamp down on rocker panel and push of that.
            Lastly if you have no alternative, chock under the A post cut a bight about 2" near to base both sides, place spreaders in gap and roll dash from that point.
            Also, (airbags depending), try ramming off the bulkhead in centre of car, just under seat, use blocks and wedges to spread load or if rusted and push through dash, eventually you will reach a cross brace that runs the width of the car.You probably wont get a big "roll" but enough to free someones legs
            Last edited by jeeves1; 10-27-2010, 09:12 AM. Reason: addition

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            • #7
              Great thread.

              We would probably chock the rocker panel near the a post, crimp or cut a section to give the ram a purchase point, and just drive the dash upwards after making some relief cuts.
              I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

              "The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list."

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              • #8
                Hi

                Depending on what was needed, we would go for a dash lift initially, if a roll was required we would either pack out from the base of the c-post until we have sufficient length to use a ram. or alternately we could use the dedicated spreaders to clamp the sill support onto the sill and then ram off that.

                Or maybe place the dedicated spreaders under the dash and spread it up from the footwell area or centre of the console.

                Jon

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                • #9
                  Anchor Points...

                  Amkus makes step looking devices that work well in this situation. Can't think off the top of my head what they're actually called but they work well. My suggestion is to "back" them with either a Haligan or a set of Spreaders.

                  Using the Spreaders and clamping down on the frame of the vehicle works really well. My suggestion is to put a piece of rubber between the Ram/Pushing Tool and the Spreader that is being used as the anchor.

                  It's another suggestion, so take it as such.....
                  "Be LOUD, Be PROUD..... It just might save your can someday when goin' through an intersection!!!!!"

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jonnycutter View Post
                    Hi

                    Depending on what was needed, we would go for a dash lift initially, if a roll was required we would either pack out from the base of the c-post until we have sufficient length to use a ram. or alternately we could use the dedicated spreaders to clamp the sill support onto the sill and then ram off that.

                    Or maybe place the dedicated spreaders under the dash and spread it up from the footwell area or centre of the console.

                    Jon
                    Sounds la bit like what I said.We must be doing something right then.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by jeeves1 View Post
                      Sounds la bit like what I said.We must be doing something right then.
                      Good to know mate.

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