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  • #31
    Originally posted by ShredddinCali View Post
    I am going to have to agree with our friends on this board that until you serve in the armed force or even work around the military you are not qualified to be an expert in social matter relating to the military.

    And finally, gunnyv enjoys mocking (in a harmless manner) the Air Force culture. I agree with most of what he says. I am proud to say that I served in the Air Force active duty for six years and am now continuing on my career as a federal civilian firefighter (going on two years now).
    Thanks for the backup. As always, my comments regarding the other services are made with tongue firmly in cheek. I have worked with everyone else at some point, including in Iraq, where my security was an Army Guard unit. I trusted them with my life, and have nothing but respect for the jobs the other services do. That said, we have earned the right to bust on each other. AnthonyW hasn't earned squat.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by gunnyv View Post
      That said, we have earned the right to bust on each other. AnthonyW hasn't earned squat.
      Neither has FWD. The difference is I'm a 17 year old kid in the process of joining up and hes a grown *** man who's never served. And last I saw he was the once criticizing the troops not me.

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      • #33
        [QUOTE=FWDbuff;1268251]Once again, show me specifically where I made these remarks?

        You implied it when you said the Army wasn't the US Army because of all the mexicans serving.
        I do not have the right to critize members of the Military about matters concerning the Military. I do have the right to criticize them for speaking spanish, swahili, german, french, polish, ebonics, ferengi, romulan, or whatever else besides ENGLISH, while they are wearing the STARS AND STRIPES and ON UNCLE SAMS DIME.
        Really. So once I'm in I cant speak spanish at my puerto rican abuelas house? Should I not take a community college class on spanish or another language because I'm wearing the stars and stripes?
        If you dont like it, hit the ignore button for me. You wont hurt my feelings at all, I wont see you do it. In fact even if I did see you hit the iggy button for me, I would probably care less.
        I dont really care man but you seem to take out a lot of your frustration on minorities to the point where its like a scapegoat for you.

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        • #34
          Dude, get over yourself. You are only 17 years old, you've barely broken enough peach fuzz through your face to wear out a training razor. Close your piehole, sign on the dotted line, and do your four years. Then again, don't enlist. There are plenty of cities that still have minority hiring clauses still in effect. Courts recently ruled against a class-action lawsuit brought against the City of Philadelphia in an attempt to repeal the minority hiring clause. Now they are talking about dumbing down the test there. Courts in New York City recently ruled that the test there had to be dumbed down, as "minorities could not pass it." So it would seem you have a decent chance in New York, too. Camden NJ- another city plagued with mandatory minority hiring regulations. Get out, get hired, and do 10 years as a firefighter, and then maybe you'll be able to have an intellegent conversation with me.

          I dont judge a man by the color of his skin, I judge a man by the way he pulls a deuce and a half down a hallway along side of me, I judge him by his courage and willingness to get the job done in an efficient and orderly manner. I judge him/them by they way we work together in the firehouse. by the way never, ever had any of the 3 portugese guys I worked with break out into a conversation in Portugese. Or the handfull of Italians I worked with...Nope, never, not once. I have worked alongside some outstanding firefighters who were non-caucasians. I have a boatload of friends who are Philly Cops and Firemen. But the difference between they and you, is that they understand the difference between a minority and a non-caucasian. Minorities are the ones who constantly cry racism every time "the man" downs them. They are the ones who moan and pizz about "the man" and "the system" being against them. The guys I speak of are the ones who shake their heads whenever people of their race like you open their mouths.....The guys of your race who get embarassed, the ones who took the tests, passed the tests, earned the job and proved themselves worthy of being called a FIREFIGHTER. The ones who have RED blood. Just like me, just like everyone else I have ever served with in the 10 years I faithfully served these United States before I had to get out due to a back injury.

          You claim to be proud of your heritage. That's great, I applaud you for that. I am Armenian and German. But never, not once, have I ever had the sudden urge to start a conversation with someone in Armenian while I was on duty, wearing the Stars and Stripes, while on Uncle Sam's official timeclock. Call me silly, I kind of thought that it was just a little tacky. And don't hand me that schit about I implied you couldn't speak your language at your home. What you do on your own time in your own home is your business and you g'damn well know it is.

          Do yourself a favor, google FDNY Minority Hiring, or Philadelphia Fire Department Minority Hiring. Call the City of Philadelphia Department of Personnel, and ask them why the last scheduled test had to be cancelled and re-scheduled? No, wait better yet I'll just give you the answer: Because the Vialiants (a "social" group of black firefighters) forged so many applications that they had to be thrown out.

          I would call you pathetic, but you are only 17- you just dont know any better. Do me a favor, next time you want to call me a racist, look in the mirror first.
          "Loyalty Above all Else. Except Honor."

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          • #35
            Wow, according to the 2001 census data, I, being a non-hispanic causasian, am a minority in California. Maybe I can get hiring preference at LAFD or CALFIRE?

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            • #36
              Interesting how a question about military classification turned into a diatribe on the perceived social ills of the American Military. It's a good thing this isn't a public forum where anyone can see the racist rants. Oh wait, it is.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by FWDbuff View Post
                Dude, get over yourself. You are only 17 years old, you've barely broken enough peach fuzz through your face to wear out a training razor. Close your piehole, sign on the dotted line, and do your four years. Then again, don't enlist. There are plenty of cities that still have minority hiring clauses still in effect. Courts recently ruled against a class-action lawsuit brought against the City of Philadelphia in an attempt to repeal the minority hiring clause. Now they are talking about dumbing down the test there. Courts in New York City recently ruled that the test there had to be dumbed down, as "minorities could not pass it." So it would seem you have a decent chance in New York, too. Camden NJ- another city plagued with mandatory minority hiring regulations. Get out, get hired, and do 10 years as a firefighter, and then maybe you'll be able to have an intellegent conversation with me.

                I dont judge a man by the color of his skin, I judge a man by the way he pulls a deuce and a half down a hallway along side of me, I judge him by his courage and willingness to get the job done in an efficient and orderly manner. I judge him/them by they way we work together in the firehouse. by the way never, ever had any of the 3 portugese guys I worked with break out into a conversation in Portugese. Or the handfull of Italians I worked with...Nope, never, not once. I have worked alongside some outstanding firefighters who were non-caucasians. I have a boatload of friends who are Philly Cops and Firemen. But the difference between they and you, is that they understand the difference between a minority and a non-caucasian. Minorities are the ones who constantly cry racism every time "the man" downs them. They are the ones who moan and pizz about "the man" and "the system" being against them. The guys I speak of are the ones who shake their heads whenever people of their race like you open their mouths.....The guys of your race who get embarassed, the ones who took the tests, passed the tests, earned the job and proved themselves worthy of being called a FIREFIGHTER. The ones who have RED blood. Just like me, just like everyone else I have ever served with in the 10 years I faithfully served these United States before I had to get out due to a back injury

                You claim to be proud of your heritage. That's great, I applaud you for that. I am Armenian and German. But never, not once, have I ever had the sudden urge to start a conversation with someone in Armenian while I was on duty, wearing the Stars and Stripes, while on Uncle Sam's official timeclock. Call me silly, I kind of thought that it was just a little tacky. And don't hand me that schit about I implied you couldn't speak your language at your home. What you do on your own time in your own home is your business and you g'damn well know it is.

                Do yourself a favor, google FDNY Minority Hiring, or Philadelphia Fire Department Minority Hiring. Call the City of Philadelphia Department of Personnel, and ask them why the last scheduled test had to be cancelled and re-scheduled? No, wait better yet I'll just give you the answer: Because the Vialiants (a "social" group of black firefighters) forged so many applications that they had to be thrown out.
                Well I want to serve my country in the military before I try to be a firefighter. I don't need affirmative action to be a firefighter, I'm smart enough and in good enough shape to get the job without any leg up. The thing I hate about affirmative action is that it gives racist people more ammunition to doubt us and they look at a black firefighter and say "He didn't earn the job he got it because of affirmative action" even though they don't know **** about him. But you're wrong about how I think the "man" is holding me down the two things my dad (who served in the army in the Gulf War) always told me about race were to never let anyone disrespect me because of my race and be racist to me, and to never use my race as an excuse to not achieve something in my life.

                But never, not once, have I ever had the sudden urge to start a conversation with someone in Armenian while I was on duty, wearing the Stars and Stripes, while on Uncle Sam's official timeclock.
                If you did though, I would have no right to criticize you because I'm not a firefighter and have never been a firefighter so I have no right at all to tell you how to do your job.

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                • #38
                  Did I forget to mention that you can only be a True Military Firefighter in one branch of the service? And that is the USAF!

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Firedawg89 View Post
                    Did I forget to mention that you can only be a True Military Firefighter in one branch of the service? And that is the USAF!
                    define "true military firefighter"

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Firedawg89 View Post
                      Did I forget to mention that you can only be a True Military Firefighter in one branch of the service? And that is the USAF!
                      If I claim that the Air Force is not a True Military Service, can you convince me otherwise?

                      And, pray tell, explain how one who is a member of a military service, whose primary function is to fight fires, and is trained and equipped to do so, does not qualify to be a "true" military firefighter?

                      Army FF: I'm a trained firefighter in the Army, but mostly I count ordnance and ride in convoys. I deploy for 12-15 months in the combat zone.

                      Navy: I'm in the Navy, and we're all trained to fight fires. Some lucky guys get to sit on the deck of the carriers and watch the planes take off and land. The rest of us chip paint. My ship deploys for 6-8 months at sea.

                      Marine FF: I'm a Marine. My MOS is ARFF, but we do what we need to do to ensure the pilots who support our infantry are taken care of. I deploy for 7 months in the combat zone.

                      Air Force FF: I'm a FireDawg. I work at the base FD with the civilian firefighters. Sometimes the Air Force makes me do military stuff. If I wanted to do that I would have joined the Army. They even make us go overseas for 4 months at a time, and sometimes the cable and internet go out. How can they expect us to operate under such conditions. WOOF WOOF!
                      Last edited by gunnyv; 04-30-2011, 07:14 PM. Reason: more info

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Firedawg89 View Post
                        Did I forget to mention that you can only be a True Military Firefighter in one branch of the service? And that is the USAF!
                        Ahhhhh another zoomie who thinks he is the second coming of christ......
                        "Loyalty Above all Else. Except Honor."

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                        • #42
                          Silly Zoomie, firefighting is for men.

                          Originally posted by gunnyv View Post
                          Air Force FF: I'm a FireDawg. I work at the base FD with the civilian firefighters. Sometimes the Air Force makes me do military stuff. If I wanted to do that I would have joined the Army. They even make us go overseas for 4 months at a time, and sometimes the cable and internet go out. How can they expect us to operate under such conditions. WOOF WOOF!
                          Once worked with a USAF FF who was assigned to us TDY for "observation" or some other BS like that....I had the knob, he was riding the backup position on the engine one night, we get punched out with the local vollies......Pull up, ordered to stretch an additional line and go in service second floor of a house, fire roaring out of the windows of two rooms and the attic......His face is white as a ghost....We stretch the line to the front door, I kneel down to put my mask on and he just stands there looking at me....I say "Well, are you going to put your mask on?" He says "You want me to go in there?" I said "How else we gonna put it out?"

                          He says "Can't we just squirt it from the outside?"

                          Yeah. True Military FF.



                          disclaimer: not all USAF guys are like this, but this guy sure didn't help the "sissy" reputation.
                          "Loyalty Above all Else. Except Honor."

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by AnthonyW View Post
                            Well I want to serve my country in the military before I try to be a firefighter. I don't need affirmative action to be a firefighter, I'm smart enough and in good enough shape to get the job without any leg up.
                            Ok, look, we've beat this thing to death. I am sorry for offending you, I have my opinion based on my life's experiences, I can't change them.

                            I thank you for wanting to serve our country, and I wish you well. And when you get out, I wish you the best in finding a good, decent firefighting job in a community that values you and cares about you. I am glad that you feel you are good enough not to need affirmative action. You take care kid. And if you do enlist, come in here once in a while and let us know how you're doing.
                            "Loyalty Above all Else. Except Honor."

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by gunnyv View Post
                              If I claim that the Air Force is not a True Military Service, can you convince me otherwise?

                              And, pray tell, explain how one who is a member of a military service, whose primary function is to fight fires, and is trained and equipped to do so, does not qualify to be a "true" military firefighter?

                              Army FF: I'm a trained firefighter in the Army, but mostly I count ordnance and ride in convoys. I deploy for 12-15 months in the combat zone.

                              Navy: I'm in the Navy, and we're all trained to fight fires. Some lucky guys get to sit on the deck of the carriers and watch the planes take off and land. The rest of us chip paint. My ship deploys for 6-8 months at sea.

                              Marine FF: I'm a Marine. My MOS is ARFF, but we do what we need to do to ensure the pilots who support our infantry are taken care of. I deploy for 7 months in the combat zone.

                              Air Force FF: I'm a FireDawg. I work at the base FD with the civilian firefighters. Sometimes the Air Force makes me do military stuff. If I wanted to do that I would have joined the Army. They even make us go overseas for 4 months at a time, and sometimes the cable and internet go out. How can they expect us to operate under such conditions. WOOF WOOF!
                              wow, i am pretty sure you got that nail hit on the head. kudos

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by FWDbuff View Post
                                Once worked with a USAF FF who was assigned to us TDY for "observation" or some other BS like that....I had the knob, he was riding the backup position on the engine one night, we get punched out with the local vollies......Pull up, ordered to stretch an additional line and go in service second floor of a house, fire roaring out of the windows of two rooms and the attic......His face is white as a ghost....We stretch the line to the front door, I kneel down to put my mask on and he just stands there looking at me....I say "Well, are you going to put your mask on?" He says "You want me to go in there?" I said "How else we gonna put it out?"

                                He says "Can't we just squirt it from the outside?"

                                Yeah. True Military FF.



                                disclaimer: not all USAF guys are like this, but this guy sure didn't help the "sissy" reputation.
                                hell, this thread has been hijacked in so many different directions so far, here's my usaf ff story:

                                when i was stationed at unnamed base while i was still a senior airman, i was driving the engine company that day. my captain... or crew chief, rather, was a TSgt who had been in the fire service for 2.5 years as he was a cross-trainee from aircraft maint or AGE. anyways, we get called out for mutual aid with the city dept on a medium sized burning barn (fully engulfed, no life safety hazards). when i pull up to the icp, he jumps off the engine, full pack and mask and starts excitedly asking for assignment from the ic the two gibs do the same and i could only :facepalm: out of embarrassment. with the lack of experience we air force "true military firefighters" have, sometimes it shows to outside departments. dont get me wrong, we can kick the @$$ out of an ORI or UCI inspection, but when it comes time to respond to the "big one" (which there will only be one of at a time), we need to get our head out and start using it.

                                the kicker is this, while we were responding, i noticed him putting on his mask and respectfully mentioned that we aren't first arrival (it was clear that we were being called in for manpower) and there isn't life safety so he could probably hold off with the mask. he proceeded to rip me a new poop hole when returning to the station. that was one of those times where i just kept my mouth shut and took it.

                                there really isn't a point to drive home with this story, i just thought i would share.

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