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  • #16
    Originally posted by Firedawg89 View Post
    Why would someone want to be a Military Firefighter in any other branch other then the USAF?
    Maybe they actually want to see what it's like to have to work for a living, rather than bitch that the air conditioning in the day room is broken and that the la-z-boy has a broken spring.
    Last edited by FWDbuff; 04-26-2011, 01:34 PM.
    "Loyalty Above all Else. Except Honor."

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    • #17
      Originally posted by FWDbuff View Post
      Maybe they actually want to see what it's like to have to work for a living, rather than bitch that the air conditioning in the day room is broken and that the la-z-boy has a broken spring.
      You are overstepping the lines!

      Broken springs on la-z-boys are both dangerous and uncomfortable.

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      • #18
        ****: Through the Eyes of the Military

        An Army grunt stands in the rain with a 35-pound pack on his back, 15-lb. weapon in his hand, having marched 12 miles, and says, "This is ****."

        An Army Airborne Ranger stands in the rain with a 45-pound pack on his back, weapon in hand, after having jumped from a plane and jogged 18 miles, says with a smile, "This is good ****."

        A Marine lies in the mud, 55-pound pack on his back, weapon in hand, after swimming 10 miles to shore, crawling through a swamp, and running 25 miles at night past enemy positions, says with a grin, "This is really great ****."

        A Navy Seal, up to his nose in the stinking, bug-infested mud of a swamp with a 65-pound pack on his back and weapons in both hands after jumping from an aircraft at high altitude into the ocean, swimming 12 miles to shore, killing several alligators to enter the swamp, then crawling 30 miles through the brush to assault an enemy camp, says, "I love this ****."

        An Air Force NCO sits in an easy chair in an air-conditioned, carpeted office in front of his computer and says, "My e-mail is out? What kind of **** is this?"
        "Loyalty Above all Else. Except Honor."

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        • #19
          Hay hay

          If the computer don't work cannot fly the drone 10000 miles away!!!!!
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZdEH...e_gdata_player

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          • #20
            Originally posted by FWDbuff View Post
            ****: Through the Eyes of the Military

            An Army grunt stands in the rain with a 35-pound pack on his back, 15-lb. weapon in his hand, having marched 12 miles, and says, "This is ****."

            An Army Airborne Ranger stands in the rain with a 45-pound pack on his back, weapon in hand, after having jumped from a plane and jogged 18 miles, says with a smile, "This is good ****."

            A Marine lies in the mud, 55-pound pack on his back, weapon in hand, after swimming 10 miles to shore, crawling through a swamp, and running 25 miles at night past enemy positions, says with a grin, "This is really great ****."

            A Navy Seal, up to his nose in the stinking, bug-infested mud of a swamp with a 65-pound pack on his back and weapons in both hands after jumping from an aircraft at high altitude into the ocean, swimming 12 miles to shore, killing several alligators to enter the swamp, then crawling 30 miles through the brush to assault an enemy camp, says, "I love this ****."

            An Air Force NCO sits in an easy chair in an air-conditioned, carpeted office in front of his computer and says, "My e-mail is out? What kind of **** is this?"
            Email is important to keep up tabs when the servers are going to be down for maintenance or when the luncheon time will be.

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            • #21
              Basically what FWD is trying to say is join the Air Force or Marines because there are more white people there.
              I've got some puerto rican blood, I speak spanish, and **** you for trying to say that that makes me less of an American. I love how you get offended by a private conversation in Spanish, like its any of your business or theres something wrong with speaking spanish. I'm willing to put my life on the line for this country, and calling it "the Mexican Army" because you dont think its white enough is a slap in the face to every latino person who serves.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by AnthonyW View Post
                Basically what FWD is trying to say is join the Air Force or Marines because there are more white people there.
                I've got some puerto rican blood, I speak spanish, and **** you for trying to say that that makes me less of an American. I love how you get offended by a private conversation in Spanish, like its any of your business or theres something wrong with speaking spanish. I'm willing to put my life on the line for this country, and calling it "the Mexican Army" because you dont think its white enough is a slap in the face to every latino person who serves.
                Awful thin skinned for a service member If you knew anything about the Marine Corps, you might know we have a large Hispanic population. Which is fine, as anyone who studies the subject knows they are disproportionately highly represented in the ranks of those who have been awarded our highest combat honors-Medal of Honor, Navy Cross, etc.

                However, we are talking here about the United States Armed Forces. If you want to walk around speaking Spanish all day to fellow service members, I suggest you join the military of a country where Spanish is the primary language. The same would go for any other language, to include redneck gibberish and inner city ebonics. Every member of a unit has to have trust and faith in his fellow Soldiers/Sailors/Airmen/Marines, and carrying out "private" conversations in another language in the presence of those who don't know that language makes them wonder what you are trying to hide. That is not a recipe for unit cohesion.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by FWDbuff View Post
                  One time I was doing a BI in a barracks, a SSGT was yelling at a couple of PFC's for something or another. Yep that sure was a private conversationNormally I would not have been concerned or took notice, except for one problem, he was doing it in spanish. Kinda had a problem with that, especially given he was wearing the Stars and Stripes.<--------Stars and strips, son. United States Army. Should have been speaking English.

                  Another time, our Fire Marshal got involved in the Court Marshal of a higher-end Sgt (cant remember exactly, maybe an SFC) who was using PW's to "encourage" his guys out of their racks in the morning, much to the Fire Department's disliking. They brought him up on court martial after the third time he got caught......Part of his defense was that he "did not understand the Fire Marshal, who should have explained it in Spanish."Yeah. That's BS.....It's a sad state of affairs when a criminal uses that as a defense. BTW he was found guilty and Court Martialed.
                  Originally posted by AnthonyW View Post
                  Basically what FWD is trying to say is join the Air Force or Marines because there are more white people there.
                  I've got some puerto rican blood, I speak spanish, and **** you for trying to say that that makes me less of an American. Never said it did, can you show me where I said that?I love how you get offended by a private conversation in Spanish, like its any of your business or theres something wrong with speaking spanish.I don't have a problem with people speaking spanish but when you are enlisted in the United States Army and wearing the Stars and Stripes on your shoulder, you should have enough respect to speak english. I'm willing to put my life on the line for this country, and calling it "the Mexican Army" because you dont think its white enough is a slap in the face to every latino person who serves.
                  You want to know what's a slap in the face? The fact that I tried like hell, for over 11 years, to get hired by a major metropolitan fire department, but because I am a white/male/non-vet, I got passed over for minority races because there was a court order that they had to get hired over me. Yeah that's a slap in the face that stings hard, especially given that I moved into and lived in that waste of a City for 8+ years, had a car stolen, gave untold thousands in excessive taxes that I would not have had to given had I not lived there, and potentially gave up on a Firefighting job down south that I could have literally walked into, had I not had delusions of grandeur of getting hired onto a Fire Department where the only thing they care about is how many brothers and hispanics they can shove onto the job through the court order. Yeah, that stings a bit.

                  It stings that there has to be a court order. But what stings worse is the fact that every time someone with white skin calls hispanics out on the carpet for something, you have to automatically label us racist. You sound like my Aunt, a devout diehard liberal- every time I complain about President Obama, she pulls the "you racist" card out of her sleeve. I don't care if the man is black, white, green, blue or red with yellow polka dots- HE SUCKS AS A PRESIDENT! It sucks that your race has to battle in court to get more of your kind hired....Why can't you just compete for the jobs like everyone else? Why does FDNY have to "dumb down" their written test? Why can't latinos and blacks and whites and everyone else just take the same ****ing test? Either you can read the damn thing or you can't. Why does FDNY have to "dumb down" their physical agility test because some latino or black or woman couldnt do it? Do we really have to hire dumber, weaker people? Again I dont care if you are black, white, green, blue or red with yellow polka dots, if you can't pass the fooking test then you don't deserve to have the job. Yeah, that's a slap in the face, that hurts real bad. Am I a racist? No, not at all. I hate all minorities that take advantage of the system equally.
                  Last edited by FWDbuff; 04-28-2011, 09:42 AM.
                  "Loyalty Above all Else. Except Honor."

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by gunnyv View Post
                    Awful thin skinned for a service member If you knew anything about the Marine Corps, you might know we have a large Hispanic population. Which is fine, as anyone who studies the subject knows they are disproportionately highly represented in the ranks of those who have been awarded our highest combat honors-Medal of Honor, Navy Cross, etc.

                    However, we are talking here about the United States Armed Forces. If you want to walk around speaking Spanish all day to fellow service members, I suggest you join the military of a country where Spanish is the primary language. The same would go for any other language, to include redneck gibberish and inner city ebonics. Every member of a unit has to have trust and faith in his fellow Soldiers/Sailors/Airmen/Marines, and carrying out "private" conversations in another language in the presence of those who don't know that language makes them wonder what you are trying to hide. That is not a recipe for unit cohesion.
                    Dittos to that. Same goes for displaying/flaunting foreign flags on post in barracks room or car windows/antenna. Intentional insults. Notice that the rest of the unit isn't speaking German, Dutch, Russian, Japanese, Yiddish, _____ ?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by gunnyv View Post
                      Awful thin skinned for a service member If you knew anything about the Marine Corps, you might know we have a large Hispanic population. Which is fine, as anyone who studies the subject knows they are disproportionately highly represented in the ranks of those who have been awarded our highest combat honors-Medal of Honor, Navy Cross, etc.

                      However, we are talking here about the United States Armed Forces. If you want to walk around speaking Spanish all day to fellow service members, I suggest you join the military of a country where Spanish is the primary language. The same would go for any other language, to include redneck gibberish and inner city ebonics. Every member of a unit has to have trust and faith in his fellow Soldiers/Sailors/Airmen/Marines, and carrying out "private" conversations in another language in the presence of those who don't know that language makes them wonder what you are trying to hide. That is not a recipe for unit cohesion.
                      First of all I'm not a service member yet I'm just enlisting in the future. Anyways it's not really thinned skin, the way I look at it its like football, if my teammates are joking around and saying racial stuff its no big deal we're all friends, but if someone from another team says something it's completely different. Its ridiculous for a civilian to get ****ed at military personnel for speaking spanish in a conversation that didn't involve him. He wasn't even part of the unit, he was just civilian walking around and he gets ****ed that people he doesnt even know are speaking Spanish. If you speak Spanish in front of people in your unit who don't understand it that's one thing, but if everyone involved in the conversation speaks it I don't see the harm. And I don't see how you're gonna stop people from talking like rednecks or "ebonics", people talk how they talk. I think it's dumb you think people who speak Spanish are trying to hide something, like we're automatically suspect or something. I understand why you shouldn't speak it in a conversation where people are involved who don't speak spanish, but theres no reason spanish speaking soldiers shouldnt speak spanish amongst each other, aside from "Welcome to America now speak English" bull****.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by FWDbuff View Post
                        You want to know what's a slap in the face? The fact that I tried like hell, for over 11 years, to get hired by a major metropolitan fire department, but because I am a white/male/non-vet, I got passed over for minority races because there was a court order that they had to get hired over me. Yeah that's a slap in the face that stings hard, especially given that I moved into and lived in that waste of a City for 8+ years, had a car stolen, gave untold thousands in excessive taxes that I would not have had to given had I not lived there, and potentially gave up on a Firefighting job down south that I could have literally walked into, had I not had delusions of grandeur of getting hired onto a Fire Department where the only thing they care about is how many brothers and hispanics they can shove onto the job through the court order. Yeah, that stings a bit.

                        It stings that there has to be a court order. But what stings worse is the fact that every time someone with white skin calls hispanics out on the carpet for something, you have to automatically label us racist. You sound like my Aunt, a devout diehard liberal- every time I complain about President Obama, she pulls the "you racist" card out of her sleeve. I don't care if the man is black, white, green, blue or red with yellow polka dots- HE SUCKS AS A PRESIDENT! It sucks that your race has to battle in court to get more of your kind hired....Why can't you just compete for the jobs like everyone else? Why does FDNY have to "dumb down" their written test? Why can't latinos and blacks and whites and everyone else just take the same ****ing test? Either you can read the damn thing or you can't. Why does FDNY have to "dumb down" their physical agility test because some latino or black or woman couldnt do it? Do we really have to hire dumber, weaker people? Again I dont care if you are black, white, green, blue or red with yellow polka dots, if you can't pass the fooking test then you don't deserve to have the job. Yeah, that's a slap in the face, that hurts real bad. Am I a racist? No, not at all. I hate all minorities that take advantage of the system equally.
                        Look you are a racist dude. Straight up, you judge people by their race, you lump them into racial categories. Yeah everytime you call hispanics out as a race about something, we call you racist, because it's ****ing racism. It's judging someone by the color of the skin. White people are still getting hired as firefighters, and if you're gonna bitch about Obama or whatever I'm assuming you're a pretty staunch conservative, personally I don't give a **** about politics either way but I hear you conservatives are big on personal responsibility. Maybe instead of pointing the finger at blacks and hispanics, look in the mirror. Maybe it's not some black dudes fault you didnt get the job. I mean honestly dude there arent a whole lot of black folks or hispanics in fire protection, at least not down here, I walked into the station in my mostly black neighborhood and it's pretty disproportionately white. I dont know man it seems like you're putting the blame entirely on minorities because you couldn't get the job, I think that's a pretty ****ty outlook. And yeah you implied I was less American when you said the Army should be called the Mexican Army because of all the latinos. That's like saying it should be called the German Army because of all the white people in it, obviously patriotic white people would be offended by that.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by AnthonyW View Post
                          First of all I'm not a service member yet I'm just enlisting in the future.
                          That explains it all. You do not have a clue, and what you think about the military is irrelevant. Until you actually enlist, ship to boot camp, graduate, complete an MOS school, and spend some time in a real military unit, you know absolutely zero about the effects of race and language on unit cohesion and discipline.

                          As for FWDBuff, you are young and dumb enough to know nothing about the court orders and racial quotas placed on many large fire depts. He is one of many people who put all they had into becoming a big city firefighter, and came out with nothing, despite scoring highly on the tests. I suggest you do some research on the subject. He has valid reason to be bitter. Start here:

                          http://www.boston.com/news/local/art..._cities_towns/

                          And I suggest you develop thicker skin-unless you join the Air Force, the other service members will eat you alive.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by gunnyv View Post
                            That explains it all. You do not have a clue, and what you think about the military is irrelevant. Until you actually enlist, ship to boot camp, graduate, complete an MOS school, and spend some time in a real military unit, you know absolutely zero about the effects of race and language on unit cohesion and discipline.

                            As for FWDBuff, you are young and dumb enough to know nothing about the court orders and racial quotas placed on many large fire depts. He is one of many people who put all they had into becoming a big city firefighter, and came out with nothing, despite scoring highly on the tests. I suggest you do some research on the subject. He has valid reason to be bitter. Start here:

                            http://www.boston.com/news/local/art..._cities_towns/

                            And I suggest you develop thicker skin-unless you join the Air Force, the other service members will eat you alive.
                            The fact is, qualified white people still get hired so he has no reason to blame minorities, and even if he did it's not even minority firefighters who enacted the policies in the first place. FWD cant talk about it either, he has no right to criticize service members if he didnt even serve. And I've got pretty thick skin in real life, but this is supposed to be a more professional place, and regardless if someone I didn't know tried telling me I wasn't American or patriotic because of my race I would probably just fight them.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by AnthonyW View Post
                              , and regardless if someone I didn't know tried telling me I wasn't American or patriotic because of my race I would probably just fight them.
                              Once again, show me specifically where I made these remarks?

                              I do not have the right to critize members of the Military about matters concerning the Military. I do have the right to criticize them for speaking spanish, swahili, german, french, polish, ebonics, ferengi, romulan, or whatever else besides ENGLISH, while they are wearing the STARS AND STRIPES and ON UNCLE SAMS DIME.

                              If you dont like it, hit the ignore button for me. You wont hurt my feelings at all, I wont see you do it. In fact even if I did see you hit the iggy button for me, I would probably care less.

                              Have a pleasant day!
                              "Loyalty Above all Else. Except Honor."

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                              • #30
                                Here goes...

                                Originally posted by AnthonyW View Post
                                The fact is, qualified white people still get hired so he has no reason to blame minorities, and even if he did it's not even minority firefighters who enacted the policies in the first place. FWD cant talk about it either, he has no right to criticize service members if he didnt even serve. And I've got pretty thick skin in real life, but this is supposed to be a more professional place, and regardless if someone I didn't know tried telling me I wasn't American or patriotic because of my race I would probably just fight them.
                                FWD has been in the federal service and knows how the military operates. While he may not have served as a member of the armed forces, he has worked for the DoD for several years and knows first hand what does happen and how it affects the overall morale and unit cohesion. Comparing unit structure and a game of high school football are two completely different things. While your analogy may be correct, the impact it has is far from it.

                                While you may be correct (let's assume, of course) in that the minority member did not directly enact a law or policy governing minority hiring quotas, they (or someone on their behalf such as an attorney) indirectly got that law or policy enacted based on either lawsuits or complaints. One thing that EVERYONE who served in the military or for the government knows is that the only reason a specific rule or policy is there is because somebody at one time broke it. The reason that the button labeled EMERGENCY SHUTDOWN or FOAM DUMP DO NOT TOUCH is labeled that way is because someone decided to press that button when they were not suppose to.

                                I am going to have to agree with our friends on this board that until you serve in the armed force or even work around the military you are not qualified to be an expert in social matter relating to the military.

                                And finally, gunnyv enjoys mocking (in a harmless manner) the Air Force culture. I agree with most of what he says. I am proud to say that I served in the Air Force active duty for six years and am now continuing on my career as a federal civilian firefighter (going on two years now). Even though I was in the Air Force I served on specific missions with both Army and Marines outside the wire. I am fortunate enough to speak Spanish fluently and have seen first hand what that does to a unit. I could name a few example but I'm not going to because it's moot and won't steer your opinion one way or another. Point is that although some posters on a forum may say things that aren't politically correct, it's a forum. Get over it. If you have a serious question that an answer cannot be found anywhere else you are more than welcome to ask and any one that has a valid input will give it to you. That's the point. Don't get all bent about a debate that you are not going to win.

                                (/end rant)
                                Last edited by ShredddinCali; 04-29-2011, 06:51 PM.

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