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  • #16
    Originally posted by LaFireEducator
    MG ...

    Let me explain my post .....


    I agree that if the truck is staffed the tools should come off for every call when the firefighters dismount if they know what thier assignment will be in advance. In a fully paid department with a dedicated crew or a volunteer department that sees a full crew in the truck all or most of the time, this could make the operation more efficiant (we won't discuss my safety concerns for the moment). However, in the case of a volunteer department such as ours where the custom cabs truck often roll with just a driver or a driver and front-seat firefighter, the tools in the cab may not be the most efficiant way to go. In addition to the SCBA in the cab, both the custom cab engine and rescue have several SCBAs and flashlights mounted in outside compartments, making it unecessary for the volunteers meeting the apparatus at the scene to actually get into the truck to mask up. In our case, mounting the tools in the cab would (in most cases) actually make our operations less efficiant. For us, tools in the compartments are the most efficiant way to go as the truck more often than not actually arrives without a dedicated crew, and if it does have a crew, each truck generally does not have a dedicated assignment.
    I run a 2 man engine Co. No explanation needed. As I said, tools in the cab for the crew (if you have em in the back) and a few in the compartments for easy reach at street level. In my old dept, we mounted the axe and bar in the engine cab within reach of the street, so anyone (crew on board or someone reaching in from the street) could reach them.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Bones42
      Split your tasks and put the tools necessary for those tasks on the appropriate side of the truck. (Irons and Can sit on driver side, OV and Roof sit on passenger side - put right tools on each side)
      I know this is off topic, but wouldn't it be the other way around? have the irons and can on the officer side (as they do inside supervised by the officer), while the OV and roof guy operate under the driver's "supervision." or do you operate differently?
      If my basic HazMat training has taught me nothing else, it's that if you see a glowing green monkey running away from something, follow that monkey!

      FF/EMT/DBP

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      • #18
        We have the tools on both sides. Positions aren't assigned by seats. 1 call, the irons guy could be on drivers side, next call they could be on passenger side.
        "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Bones42
          We have the tools on both sides. Positions aren't assigned by seats. 1 call, the irons guy could be on drivers side, next call they could be on passenger side.
          Riding assignments is a whole other issue I'm at my whits end with too, but I won't go into that here. My personal belief is there should not be riding assignments by seats, but rather by manpower. A carreer dept can do it by seats, but with Vol. ff's, I think it's better to have it set up with how many people are on the apparatus, weather it be 4 or all the way up to 8, and the tolls/jobs are determined by that.
          A Fire Chief has ONLY 1 JOB and that's to take care of his fireman. EVERYTHING else falls under this.

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          • #20
            After attending a CFA Pumper roll over a number of yeras ago, I've changed my view on anything in the cabin except people and the map book!

            Scary stuff, and even scarier when you think you've got it well secured and it ends up coming away!!! (There's a hell of a lot of force in any accident....)
            Luke

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            • #21
              Allow me to propose a different point of view from the fire chief's perspective.

              Every day I have enthusiastic firefighters bouncing into my office proposing new ideas. Many of these ideas are pretty far fetched. Some are not workable for various safety, financial, logistic, time, or other reasons. Many of the proposals are simply far more trouble than they are worth. Some actually conflict with yesterday's group of proposals. There is simply no way I can honor these multitude of requests.

              Like you, these firefighters are convinced their project is the next BBD (bigger, better deal). They are sometimes put out that the chief isn't interested. Some take it personal. So, how do you get the chief to really listen to your idea?

              The firefighter who gets the most attention is the one who makes arrangements to see me when I'm not snowed under with budget problems or when I have a meeting in ten minutes I'm trying to prepare for. My recommendation is that you make an appointment to see your chief at a specific time. When you arrive, spell out the problem as you see it and then the solution. Show your costs, mounting bracket ideas, diagrams, etc. Wrap up by addressing any questions you might anticipate such as cab impact, security, or ease of access. If you can play a good salesman, end the presentation by listing all the advantages of your idea. Then ask the chief if he has any questions you can answer. Make it obvious that you defer to him as the final authority. This removes the "I better put my foot down because I'm the chief" response that often occurs.

              Even if the answer is "no", thank the chief for his time and offer to assist with any other projects which may arrive in the future. Leave the info with the chief. He may change his mind after discussing it with other officers. Should you receive a firm "no" answer then accept it, drop the issue, and move on. Life and bosses are full of "no".

              I hope this helps! Good luck.
              Last edited by dragenrider; 09-19-2006, 05:15 PM.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by DrParasite
                I know this is off topic, but wouldn't it be the other way around? have the irons and can on the officer side (as they do inside supervised by the officer), while the OV and roof guy operate under the driver's "supervision." or do you operate differently?
                With the exception of the knob (which is determined by which side of the rig the fires on), we have no seat "assignments" for tools/equipment or tasks. Who grabs what and what task you are assigned is determined by staffing, when you arrive and what the CO determines they need/want.

                If a first in rig has 4, the jumpseat FF who doesnt have the knob grabs the irons. If we have 3, the CO will grab the irons. This would all change if your 2nd or 3rd due. A 3rd due may need to bring hooks in, 2nd due the PPV.

                We dont have FFs climbing off the rig and grabing the same tools or doing the same job on every call .
                Fire Marshal/Safety Officer

                IAAI-NFPA-IAFC/VCOS-Retired IAFF

                "No his mind is not for rent, to any god or government"
                RUSH-Tom Sawyer

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                • #23
                  What about the other half?

                  [QUOTE=JTFIRE80] We do get 8 guys on the trucks fairly often, then only get one more truck out. I said you take 2 seats out, make them 6 man cabs, get an additional apparatus out, which IMO seems logical. Not to the Chief though. QUOTE]


                  Maybe you can "sell" half of your idea to the Chief. If your Dept. has enough qualified operators enact or change your operational policies so that you can get that second apparatus out the door. I have no idea what will work for your Dept, Splitting the 8 responding between the two rigs that you need to roll IMO seems simple. Taking into consideration almost nothing is a simple as it seems. Pre determine a minimum that can be split. It will take some trial and error to get the result you are looking for. A few of the selling points could be the safety considerations for having a reserve pumper on scene along with the extra equipment carried on it in the event of a failure. Having the ability to position the second in pumper at the rear of a structure, at the hydrant or end of a long drive way for water supply, or at a distance from an MVA to start slowing traffic or block a road outright.
                  We're not spliting rocket hairs here people!

                  Training is like building a pyramid, if you want it to last, you don't built it pointy side down!

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                  • #24
                    we have one truck with tools in the cab and i love it

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                    • #25
                      We keep TIC's, Large area search bags, Irons, and usually a closet hook in our apparatus. Several members have spent many hours laying out new equipment layouts on our engines, and are currently working on our Rescue squad. We want to get the maximum use out of the available space on the apparatus without hindering FF maneuverability and safety. I am all for mounting tools inside the cab as long as it is safe!

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                      • #26
                        we have a tic 4 lights amd 3 portables 2 extra tic batteries

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                        • #27
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