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  • #16
    Since, the refurb will not meet NFPA 1912 requirements, it will be a problem. The AFG will not fund it for that reason. So refurbishing the 29 y/o vehicle would be out of the question, meaning the only option is to replace it with a new or used vehicle.

    The NFPA uses a 25 year serive life as a benchmark or ROT, but there are a host of issues that will determine the service life of apparatus. A big urban area may be 10 years due to the call volume and use & abuse, where a rural department with low call volume and the equipment isn't abused, could get between 25-30 years without a problem. Maybe that used apparatus may get you an additional 15 years, based on its condition. An issue that would have to be explained in the narrative.

    If you are looking at used apparatus (IMO), look at apparatus 10 years or under.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by onebugle View Post
      Since, the refurb will not meet NFPA 1912 requirements, it will be a problem. The AFG will not fund it for that reason. So refurbishing the 29 y/o vehicle would be out of the question, meaning the only option is to replace it with a new or used vehicle.

      The NFPA uses a 25 year serive life as a benchmark or ROT, but there are a host of issues that will determine the service life of apparatus. A big urban area may be 10 years due to the call volume and use & abuse, where a rural department with low call volume and the equipment isn't abused, could get between 25-30 years without a problem. Maybe that used apparatus may get you an additional 15 years, based on its condition. An issue that would have to be explained in the narrative.

      If you are looking at used apparatus (IMO), look at apparatus 10 years or under.
      I just read the PG and saw where it quoted NFPA 1912. I was on my way to go read it and thought I would stop by here first. Glad you saved me the trouble.

      Do you think you could get a 97 or newer for less than $50K or $75K? I don't have a clue what used vehicles are running.

      So since both their engines are over 25 years old then they don't have to take them both out of service do they? I'm sure it would afford them a higher priority, but they have to have something as a back up truck.

      If they go to take their vehicle out of service because of safety reasons and to meet the requirements of the grant, can they keep it as long as they don't use it for firefighting purposes? The vehicle they are looking at replacing is the one and only vehicle their department has ever bought brand new and they want to keep possession of it for sentimental reasons and use it for a parade truck. Is that allowable?

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      • #18
        You only have to take a truck out of service if it is a safety issue. more accurately if you claim it as a safety issue. Too many people were claiming death trap and then still using the truck. So if they want to keep it in service for whatever reason, just have to explain that end of it, parade piece or extreme reserve.
        Brian P. Vickers
        www.vickersconsultingservices.com
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        Westlake VFD - Houston, TX
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        • #19
          Originally posted by BC79er View Post
          You only have to take a truck out of service if it is a safety issue. more accurately if you claim it as a safety issue. Too many people were claiming death trap and then still using the truck. So if they want to keep it in service for whatever reason, just have to explain that end of it, parade piece or extreme reserve.
          Gotcha!

          Next question...they found a 1991 Pierce Javelin that was refurbed and retitled in 2000 technically as a Pierce Arrow. So now what year do you consider it? Is it a 2000 or a 1990? Told them that chances are that vehicle won't be around when it comes time for award, but just asking for future knowledge.

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          • #20
            If it has been retitled with the 2000 it would be considered a 2000.

            That will be the issue with a refurbed/used vehicle. Will it still be around if the grant is awarded. These companies are looking to move them, not hold onto them for a possible sale maybe a year+ from now.

            What was the price for the pump? I'm thinking that finding a pump under 10 years old, in excellent shape etc. will probably go 6 figures at least, depending on what they are looking for.

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            • #21
              The refurbed and retitled 2000 Pierce arrow they found was right at $75K on the nose. Odds are that its going to move quick though and they'll be lucky to find that when they need to.

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              • #22
                the reason for the 75.000 price tag is because no matter what refurb was done it's still a much older vehicle chassis underneath the 2000 refurb part. I can't understand why it was retitled unless they put a glider kit chassis underneath the original components. then it would be titled to the new chassis.

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                • #23
                  Arrow

                  The Javelin was a rear engine, 6 or 8V 92 Detroit engine; and had front wheel drive with a GKN axle, along with single tires all around. According to what I had heard, a lot of them were glider kitted into Pierce Arrow chassis. In New Jersey there are only 2 Javelins, one in Somerset County and one in my original fire company. It is very quiet in the cab except for the axle noise, but can be a little skittish in the snow, having the water tank right in the center of the truck. Sorry, I get carried away with history sometimes......
                  lol

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