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  • LVFD301
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    While there is the public safety 700 Mhz band, no one is trying to move all public safety to it.

    Now, there is a fallacy called Cyren Call, that is trying to present itself as the end all to any interoperatiliby problems.... And it is just that, a fallacy. Another stroke of marketing genius from the guy who brought us Nextel.

    Even if a nationwide 700 Mhz system was started today, most of us would be many many years before we even begin to see it built out, and then we could not afford the USER FEES.

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  • WJVaughn
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    Originally posted by gatoremt View Post
    It does not say anythign about 700mhz. But I have heard that they Feds want to put Public Safety on the 700mhz band.
    I have heard the same thing. A whole bunch of us are investing a lot of money in narrow band trunking systems on other spectrums. If they come up with a new ruling they better cough up some more cash.

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  • vol901
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    Public Law 109-459

    Here is the original wording of Public Law 109:459 from the original S.1932 12/19/05. 109-459 is a bill regarding free home phone calls for troops overseas and the public safety radio part was tacked on to the end. It stated :

    Pursuant to section 3006 of Public Law 109-171
    (47 U.S.C. 309 note), the Assistant Secretary for Communications and
    Information of the Department of Commerce, in consultation with the
    Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, shall award no less
    than $1,000,000,000 for public safety interoperable communications
    grants no later than September 30, 2007 subject to the receipt of
    qualified applications as determined by the Assistant Secretary.


    (Sec. 3006) Authorizes the Assistant Secretary to use amounts from the Fund to implement a grant program to assist public safety agencies in the acquisition of, deployment of, or training for the use of interoperable communications systems that utilize, or enable interoperability with systems that can utilize, reallocated public safety spectrum for radio communication. Requires the public safety agency to provide, from nonfederal sources, at least 20 percent of the costs of acquiring and deploying the systems funded under the grant program.

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  • gatoremt
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    It does not say anythign about 700mhz. But I have heard that they Feds want to put Public Safety on the 700mhz band.

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  • ktb9780
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    Originally posted by jboczek View Post
    I haven't read the bill so I may be way off base here. Is this the one that will use the 700 MHz band for a nationwide system or am I thinking of something else?
    I believe it something entirely different if I am not mistaken. If you wnat to see it look at Thomas.gov under S385.

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  • jboczek
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    I haven't read the bill so I may be way off base here. Is this the one that will use the 700 MHz band for a nationwide system or am I thinking of something else?

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  • ktb9780
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    Pelican, your right on a number of points here. It will more than likely have to be regional in nature and if we screw up this opportunity .... well who knows.

    I do know there are a lot of departments that if presented with the idea correctly and they put together a comprehensive program that truly solves the issues, then there willbe some very happy, efficient public saftey agencies out there who can get the job done and will save countless lives.

    What FDs must realize though is that they have to play in the same sandbox well with their brother public safety agencies for this regional approach. That means burying the turf hatchet and cooperating for the good of the public, and our own families who make up these populations, whom we all serve.

    Law Enforcment, EMAs, EMS etc. are going to have to first sit down at the table and actually AGREE on something for a change and the agreement should be that " Hey, what we have does not work and if we want to do the job right, we all have to be able to talk to one another".

    Interoperrable communications starts at the most basic level, sitting down and agreeing to talk the problems out, not ignore the other career srevices and let them fend for themselves. FDs can take a real leadership role here and show the US and DHS that when presented with a proper opportunity, that has been funded sufficiently to actually accomplish the mission, we are capable of coming togther in a team effort and resolving our differences inthe interest of those we are sworn to serve.

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  • Pelican631
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    Yeah that's going to be an interesting one. Less than eight months to figure out what you need, spec the system, figure out how much it will cost, and apply for the money. And I'm sure they're going to require projects by region, so you'll also need to get everyone in a region to agree on something in that short amount of time. I hope I'm wrong, but it sounds like a lot of money is going to be thrown around without much planning as to how it will be used. It's almost as if someone is saying "FINE..here's your money, now shut up and go away!". If public safety screws this up (doesn't show any improvement after getting the money), we'll have a heck of a time if we need to ask for more in the future.

    Andy

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  • ktb9780
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    After doing a little research today I discovered that the presidentr did actually sign the bill mentioned above into law on 12/22/06 which has now become Public Law No: 109-459. Can't wait to see how they do this one. Stay tuned for details!

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  • ktb9780
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    [QUOTE=Interoperability does not necessarily mean APCO 25 digital radios.[/QUOTE]

    Careful here though. Although APCO P-25 compliant does not mean "interoperability" in and of itself, the grant rules state that they must be APCO P-25 compliant OR, your state homeland security office must certify that the requested equipment . although not compliant, is compatible with their state homeland security plan.


    Everyone shoud keep in mind that there is a $1.7 billion dollar "interoperable communications" bill awaiting Presidential approval right now. It has passed Congressional approval in both the Senate and the House and if signed into law, must be disbursed through a grant program from NTIA to first responder agencies by Sept 2007. That is 3 X what money is currently in AFG alone. Start gettin your planning together for completet interoperable communication projects and be ready to rock when this hits the grants.gov pages.

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  • CMullen8
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    Last year my department was awarded funds for a thermal imaging camera, SCBA, portable radios and wildfire gear. We only average around 120 calls per year, but able to justify everything by showing the cost benefit for our rural setting and allowing our resources to be used by other agencies (TIC). The radios we applied for were exactly like radios already owned by the department, which allow for communications in not only our county, but five surrounding counties also (interoperability). Interoperability does not necessarily mean APCO 25 digital radios. Apply for what is functional for your department. This year we have received preliminary notification for our application for complete sets of turnout gear for 25 firefighters along with a washer/extractor to maintain and preserve the new turnout gear.

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  • BC79er
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    Got it, reply heading back.

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  • Pelican631
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    Thanks for the replies everyone. I'd really like to solve the whole problem at once, but I'm afraid that it'll be hard to justify the cost/benefit for a small department with only 90 calls per year. I'm also really nervous about including radios (even though they would be 100% interoperable and are badly needed) because they're such a touchy subject right now.

    Brian, check your inbox.

    Andy

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  • BC79er
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    Depending on call volume SCBA & PPE is a laundry list. Radios can appear with one or the other, same as a TIC but only handheld units if there aren't enough to go around to each interior team on the fireground. Mobiles belong in regional apps, or in a project with just radios if the county/state/region upgraded and you got left behind.

    Andy, check with Bob for a copy of my paperwork since y'all didn't fill it out last year. That will help narrow things down for you. Shoot me an email when you get a chance.

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  • Greenacres2
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    If you can identify the items as part of a single problem and a Complete Solution to that problem, then it could be beneficial to do all. The problem i see with the radios is that my gut feeling is that communications is being viewed in the context of an interoperability issue as well. Will they also improve your ability in providing/receiving mutual aid?? If there is a chance you can get several departments to agree on a regional project, communications would be one of the best you could do--that would be my dream for getting radios.

    SCBA's fit very well with PPE. Again--bonus points if they help improve interopability with your surrounding departments. If you sell it on the idea of improving your interior attack, may complete that project. Do new air packs complete your breathing air problems?? Do you already have (or have access to) compressor, mobile cascade, fill station, etc?? If that's all in place, then packs may be the completion to PPE, if you need an entire air supply project, i would lean toward a two year plan.

    Thoroughly confused yet?? Just remember the key terms--complete solution, interoperability, and priority.

    earl

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