New Pumper/Tanker thanks to AFG

[Nebo424]

Nebo Fire Department has received our New Pumper/tanker that was awarded in the 05 grant. It is a 2006 HME P2E CUSTOM CHASSIS, 1500 GALLON S/S TANK, HALE 1500 GPM QFLOW MIDSHIP CAFS PUMP. LED LIGTHS. HIGH SIDES ON BOTH SIDES. TWO DUMP VALVES ONE ELECT. BACK UP CAMRA. This is a great tool that could not have been done with out the help of a grant. I would like to think everyone for the help with this. If you have any questions about the truck please feel free to e-mail me at [email protected]


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[BC79er_OLDDELETE]

Congrats Nebo!

Nice paint and striping scheme, looks sharp.

[Nelson71]

Nice looking HME Nebo ! Is your CAFS plumbed to all discharges and how big is your compressor ? We've got a Ferrara on order with a 140 cfm CAFS to the crosslays and front jumpline. Courtesy of AFG '05 also, due first week of January.

[neiowa]

What are your dept info (size, # calls etc).

I've never see a pumper with dual rear dumps. Whats the plan/logic? Is the manual for backup should the electric fail?

[Nebo424]

Compressor is a 200cfm. It is plumbed to two of the 1 3/4 crosslays, and two one 2 1/2 crosslay. We also have a 1 inch crosslay that is foam warter line. The front jumpline is water only, the side discharge is water only. All the crosslays are either CFAS, or just a foam water.

[Nebo424]

Our Department covers about 55 square miles, we have about 40 fire runs a year, and about 85 medical/rescue per year. Cover a population of about 2200 people.

The reason for having two dump valves is to try and lower our ISO rating. The ISO rates on tanker shults are based on a few things which most of the things have a set time on already. Two of the things that don't have a set time on is Fill time, and Dump time. So we feel that if we could decrease our fill times and our dump time we have a good chance in lowering the ISO rating. By putting two dumps it allows us to unload twice as fast. We also increased our fill line so that we can fill faster. Our old tanker only had a 3inch fill this one has a 5" direct tank fill. The two dump valves allow a much quicker dump time. Also by having a back up camra on the truck if a time comes were we have only one person to handle the tanker efforts this is much better. Cause of the camra and the Elect. Dump he/she never has to leave the cab of the truck to unload. All they have to do is back the truck up using the camra to locate the dump tank and once in place reach down and hit a switch to dump the water. This allows a faster dump time when using one person in that he never has to get out of the truck to pull a valve. Also by watching the camra he can tell when the truck is empty and close the dump and off to reload with never getting out to unload the water. So if there are two people around to help with tanker operations one can be at the back of the truck and pull the manual dump and also he can hit a switch at the rear of the truck to open the elect. dump also. which would allow both dumps to be dumping which would allow the truck to be off twice as fast to reload. I hope this is clear, on why we put two dumps on the truck. I would like to hear what others think about the Ideal. Cause I have only seen one other truck that has two dumps.

[onebugle]

Nebo,

Nice looking truck. Again, another department that took the time to spec out a vehicle that is efficient and effective for the community that it serves. A vehicle that is easily utilized with 1 or a full crew.

[ffemtmjb]

What is your unload time with both dump valves open instead of just one? Just curious.

[ChiefDog]

Won't two newtons dumping at once "stress" the opposite side of the tank until you get enough water in it? We have dumped with one 10" and bowed the supports on the other side of the tank by dumping "too fast".

[Nebo424]

dump time is about 40 to 45 seconds with both...

[LVFD301]

reload. I hope this is clear, on why we put two dumps on the truck. I would like to hear what others think about the Ideal. Cause I have only seen one other truck that has two dumps.

I think you have a good plan. I still would not let anyone get complacent about the camera - if there is a second person available they MUST spot the truck when backing. The Camera should only be a backup.

The ideal tanker shuttle the drives NEVER get out of the driver seat.

If the tank supports bow you have a tank issue, not a dump valve issue. A properly designed tank and dump should NEVER have an issue like that.

[LVFD301]

Won't two newtons dumping at once "stress" the opposite side of the tank until you get enough water in it? We have dumped with one 10" and bowed the supports on the other side of the tank by dumping "too fast".

That is scary. Is it due to air pressure? It should not be doing that.

[Nelson71]

I'm from a rural only department so we shuttle as religion. If you're having bowed tank issues the answer is not to dump more slowly but to let the air in more quickly. In order to get the water out efficiently it has to be replaced by something-air. Many older (and some newer) rigs just didn't place enough emphasis on adaquate venting.
As an aside, we remounted/refurbed a tanker last year and as part of the upgrade we installed an automatic direct refill valve on the tank rear. I think that it's called a Fireman's Friend but when I Googled it , no results. Sorry about the lack of link.

[neiowa]

Our Department covers about 55 square miles, we have about 40 fire runs a year, and about 85 medical/rescue per year. Cover a population of about 2200 people.

The reason for having two dump valves is to try and lower our ISO rating. The ISO rates on tanker shults are based on a few things which most of the things have a set time on already. Two of the things that don't have a set time on is Fill time, and Dump time. So we feel that if we could decrease our fill times and our dump time we have a good chance in lowering the ISO rating. By putting two dumps it allows us to unload twice as fast. We also increased our fill line so that we can fill faster. Our old tanker only had a 3inch fill this one has a 5" direct tank fill. The two dump valves allow a much quicker dump time. Also by having a back up camra on the truck if a time comes were we have only one person to handle the tanker efforts this is much better. Cause of the camra and the Elect. Dump he/she never has to leave the cab of the truck to unload. All they have to do is back the truck up using the camra to locate the dump tank and once in place reach down and hit a switch to dump the water. This allows a faster dump time when using one person in that he never has to get out of the truck to pull a valve. Also by watching the camra he can tell when the truck is empty and close the dump and off to reload with never getting out to unload the water. So if there are two people around to help with tanker operations one can be at the back of the truck and pull the manual dump and also he can hit a switch at the rear of the truck to open the elect. dump also. which would allow both dumps to be dumping which would allow the truck to be off twice as fast to reload. I hope this is clear, on why we put two dumps on the truck. I would like to hear what others think about the Ideal. Cause I have only seen one other truck that has two dumps.

Thanks for the info. Interesting idea. I'm hoping we can just get/afford side dumps on the tanker we are now working on (shade tree project using an FEPP chassis). Or perhaps the 90degree chutes.

[LVFD301]

I'm from a rural only department so we shuttle as religion. If you're having bowed tank issues the answer is not to dump more slowly but to let the air in more quickly. In order to get the water out efficiently it .

Thats what I figured. We have a manhole on the top of our FEPP tanker,
and we took the lid off so there would never be an issue from not enough
air.

Works great. Little slop, but not much.