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  • Grant for SCBA- Current Scott Paks or NxG2?

    WE recently received a grant to replace SCBA. We were all ready to purchase Scott 4.5 only to find out they are coming out with a new pack. (More expensive of course). What is the percentage of the award is possible to increase over the approved amount? Has anyone seen the new Scott Bottles with the direct fitting into the pressure reducer? Any thoughts on buying the current ones or the NxG2.

    Thanks
    Tim

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    I don't think you can ask for anymore money. I think what you ask for is what you get. I think I talked to somebody at FEMA about that year. I'm not a 100% sure on this, but I'm about 80% sure. I'm sure you didn't what to hear this.

    Matt
    Matt Reardon
    Singers Glen Vol. Fire Co.

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    • #3
      Im in the same position. We were awarded early on. We went so far as to have the regional rep in with the 4.5 with all the options on the table. The next day the firehouse mag shows up with the cd in it. We placed our order on hold. I think we are going with the NXG2 as soon as someone puts one in front of us. I won't order one without seeing it and feeling whats different. There was a thread on here not too long ago, you might be able to find it with the search. Overall, it looks to be the next generation of scba. Its up to you if you want to buy last years model or get in on the ground floor of a new pack.

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      • #4
        We were also in the same position as all of you. However after talking to my fire rep we decided to say with the AP50 4.5. We do a quite a bit of mutual aid and if we were to go with NXG2 the cylinders would not interchange with our mutual aid depts. The rep also pointed out that he thought the only departments that would be switching over to these new packs would be the larger cities.

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        • #5
          they've created quite a buzz in the smaller communities as well. We will be getting them, and ive already talked to mutual aid co's that are looking at them. I don't think the ap50 is the way to go anymore.

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          • #6
            You won't get anymore out of FEMA, but you can overmatch all you want if you really want to move to the new packs. You have to buy the same number that you requested, so your costs could go up quite a bit, but as long as the money you get from FEMA is equal or lesser than either 70% or 90% of the total cost of the project, it's fine.

            To put figures to it, if your grant was for $100K for 30 packs, total project $111K, (10% matching), and the new ones cost $1000 more, you can buy the new ones adding the other $30K to your costs. So the new totals would be FEMA: $100K, you $41K (original $11K plus addt'l $30K). FEMA's total contribution is now just under 70%. I don't know that these are the prices, I'm just making them up for argument's sake.

            As long as you tell FEMA up front, they don't mind. We forgot some lighting and other minor stuff on the rescue last year and they had no problem with us putting in more than the 10%.
            Brian P. Vickers
            www.vickersconsultingservices.com
            Emergency Services Consulting
            Westlake VFD - Houston, TX
            Proud Member IACOJ - Redneck Division

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            • #7
              I spoke to our Scott dealer this week, He stated that the NxG2 is not scheduled to start production until November. Normal delivery for 4.5s are 12 to 16 weeks. I would imagine the NxG2 will be a fairly long wait.

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              • #8
                We ordered 24 nxg's a few weeks ago. They will be in by the end of november. We decided it was foolish to invest in last years model. Good luck to you whatever you decide.

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                • #9
                  How much difference in price is there?

                  What prices have you guys been getting quoted?

                  Thanks
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                  • #10
                    I asked my rep about it since he quoted us earlier in the year for my grant app. He said thier would be a significant increase in cost per pack because of some kind of discounts/tag-ons that he could do with the 50's, but weren't available for the new ones.

                    I also asked about interoperability - the new mask will work with the older packs as well as the buddy-breathing system. The bottles will not.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by SamsonFCDES
                      How much difference in price is there?

                      What prices have you guys been getting quoted?

                      Thanks
                      Loaded pack, hud, ebss, 45 minute 4500psi, with spare cylinder under $4000. Its about $1000 more than a comparable ap50, but if you see them both and try them both, its worth it. And don't let them kid you that there aren't deals or special pricing on them. We had 3 different distributors calling wanting to demo them. Used that to our advantage!!

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