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  • #16
    One of our mutual aid departments had an open house a couple years back. They borrowed two makakins and dress one of them in the regular duty uniform (dickies, izod, etc), with a pager, and put price tags on everything including one for training costs. The other was in bunker gear with price tags all over that too. They did the same with a pumper. They said that 99% of the people that came through had no idea how much stuff really cost, and it opened a lot of people's eyes. And their wallets. They got a good chunk in donations that night.
    Brian P. Vickers
    www.vickersconsultingservices.com
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    Westlake VFD - Houston, TX
    Proud Member IACOJ - Redneck Division

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    • #17
      Another fantastic idea to stimulate the publics thought of cost involvement for firefighters. Thanks BC

      STILL STANDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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      • #18
        Re: Donations

        Originally posted by azrookie05
        Unfortunately, I have been told that many of the large departments in the Southwest are donating surplus or replaced equipment to departments in Mexico because they are afraid of potential liability if there is some future problem with that equipment. Not that the fellow firefighters in Mexico are not in great need but, with the sad tales that I have read on this and other forums, there are many, many small departments here in the USA that are in just as great need.
        Perhaps someone with greater knowledge than I can come up with a method of holding a donating department harmless so that more of the "affluent" will be willing to help out the struggling.
        This type of nonsense is from people with no knowledge but too lazy to call the city attorney for a legal opinion. If the city attorney is a spineless, timid ninny have said attorney drawup a holdharmless agreement for signature by the recipient. Sending 1/2 way modern and usable equipment out of the country is obscene.

        Of course today's news has Bill Gates sending millions of $ to Africa instead of helping the communities that paid $ to make his fortune. His $ to do with as he wishes but duhh.

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        • #19
          If the city attorney is a spineless, timid ninny have said attorney drawup a holdharmless agreement for signature by the recipient.

          I'm come to the conclusion NE that most gov't & private industry lawyers are spineless, timid ninnies. Most of the lawyers sitting in a backoffice somewhere probably didn't top their classes or ace their bar exams, they just toil away as essentially clerks whose sole job is take the most conservative possible opinion on everything they encounter.
          IACOJ Canine Officer
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          • #20
            I did poll my MBA class, and a classmate said that their attorneys have no problems with them donated equipment. There is no liability when equipment is donated as is. It is up to the receiver to learn how to properly utilize the equipment in a safe manner. I believe she is in Ohio. Either way, I think that those that are sending equipment out of the country are at least doing good as the equipment is needed there, and firefighters are all family no matter what country, but I still say let's start here first and then work outwards.

            Look at your surrounding areas. Think of who is going to come if you have the really big one and have to pull 5 alarms or more worth of equipment. If someone is not properly equipped and you have stuff to give away, why not put it in their direction so at least you'll know what they have when they show up. Don't think you've got something worth 5 alarms? Guess you don't have any apartment buildings, lumberyards, or a Walmart. Of course I can't imagine there's a place with no Walmart. Such thoughts bring tears to my eyes, that there are places in this country where people can't experience Walmart. (sniff) What kind of cruel world to we live in! Oh the humanity!
            Brian P. Vickers
            www.vickersconsultingservices.com
            Emergency Services Consulting
            Westlake VFD - Houston, TX
            Proud Member IACOJ - Redneck Division

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            • #21
              Originally posted by mustang70501
              Good Day Guys,
              I’m Stephen Eric P. Chua from the Philippines, me and my group ( 20 persons ) from all walks of life are all volunteer members of our peace & order council in our local community involve in various activities such as, peace keeping, emergency response team ( medical or calamity), and other volunteer works including fire fighting in our local community. We serve as an auxiliary group when needed by our Barangay (Local Community) Captain or Chairman.
              As part of it all, we sometimes responded to fire calls without proper gears, such as turnout gears, helmets, hoods, gloves, and fire boots. Our Barangay only had 5 sets of fire fighting gears for their regular members; we sometimes borrow from them in case the need arises. We love and dedicate our free time in volunteer work and serve our fellowmen for free. But the lack of proper fire gears & equipments are sometimes a hindrance to our group in responding to fire & other emergency calls, it’s because the price of such gears & equipments here in the Philippines are too expensive and much high value for the good branded ones, and we ourselves could not afford to purchase it. And being a volunteer here, one should gear himself with the needed gears & equipments individually.
              A former classmate of mine from the old high school days, a regular volunteer from the Filipino-Chinese Fire Volunteer Brigade once told me to try and ask for help from like you guys in the US. So here I am hoping that some kind hearted ones could render us help in anyway they could, but not financially as we speak but thru donations of used, 2nd hand/ surplus fire & rescue gears and equipments. It would be a great help to us from you guys out there.
              In regarding this matter and in behalf of my group may I respectfully request for your donation or support from your kind hearted ones, used ,2nd hand, or surplus turnout gears, fire helmets, hoods, gloves, fire boots, fire & rescue gears and equipments that are already not in use by your brigades. It would be a great help to us.
              I’m hoping for your kind hearted consideration in regarding this matter. Thank you and keep safe. God Bless you all.
              Best regards;
              Mr. Stephen Eric P. Chua
              c/o Mr. Larry Querubin
              #177 Blas Roque Compound, Brgy. Bagbag,
              Novaliches 1116, Quezon City, Philippines Email Address: [email protected]
              As a past resident of fthe Phllipines during my younger days ( Clark AFB) I certianly can relate to the "need". I traveled through the islands and stayed in may Nipa huts in local villages during my time there and witnessed first hand the problems you all face daily. I am sure there are people here, knowing the charitible nature of many of them through past years, that would be willing to help however; there is one problem that I think if you could address it, would assist us in trying to help you. Can you guys cover the shipping costs out to the Islands or arrange for that not to encumber a department which might wish to donate?
              Kurt Bradley
              Fire/EMS/EMA Grant Consultant
              " Never Trade Skill for Luck"

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              • #22
                Although this post started many years ago, I feel a need to respond. I would advise that bunker gear not be considered for donations to the Phillipines or anywhere over seas. There was an issue a few years agao, and I beleive Firehouse is where the article was, that good samaritan fire departments were sending gear to what they thought were brothers oversseas in need of gear. It turned out to be a terrorist organization. If I am correct it was Washington DC FD.

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                • #23
                  Don't want to make this arguement too political...but the AFG program is funded by our US tax dollars -- and we have plenty of US departments still in need. Many are too humble to ask for the help, but I think we all know of some who could use better gear.

                  We send plenty of our money overseas for other stuff. Since the fire service in general is underfunded in the US, keep the stuff here for our use.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by SLY4420 View Post
                    Don't want to make this arguement too political...but the AFG program is funded by our US tax dollars -- and we have plenty of US departments still in need. Many are too humble to ask for the help, but I think we all know of some who could use better gear.

                    We send plenty of our money overseas for other stuff. Since the fire service in general is underfunded in the US, keep the stuff here for our use.
                    Well said Sly!

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                    • #25
                      Is anyone still wanting to donate to other volunteer departments?.
                      We will sign papers saying we dont hold anyone liable for anything. We're looking for anything.

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                      • #26
                        ShawnVFD - tell us a bit more about your department, location etc. Many of us can help. Saying you need everything is a bit much though, as surely you have SOMETHING. Be specific.

                        Sly, - agreed all the way. Too many departments out there that are still needy to send the stuff out of the country.

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                        • #27
                          OK well I guess I didn't make myself clear there folks. I did not mean to say that we should not take care of our own first and foremost, will and have always advocated that happening. I am also aware that Abu Sayyaf operates in the Southern Islands but I would beg to ask the question here, when was the last time you ever saw a terrorist in turnout gear? It seems to me that they LIKE to watch things explode and burn, not go put them out!
                          Kurt Bradley
                          Fire/EMS/EMA Grant Consultant
                          " Never Trade Skill for Luck"

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                          • #28
                            [QUOTE=LVFD301;1221577]ShawnVFD - tell us a bit more about your department, location etc. Many of us can help. Saying you need everything is a bit much though, as surely you have SOMETHING. Be specific.

                            to start ..
                            there is 15 members
                            we are located in trade,tn
                            Station location

                            all coutry roads
                            funding is very limited due to the area. we are currently making a website with a donation/store page to see if this would help with funds-website is done for free
                            the trucks run and are ok but have problems with them
                            engine is fine (radiator is leaking , were going to try and fix that)
                            tanker truck.. Pump seems to be going out (were working on that - just fixed the brakes last month @1200.00 now this)
                            our turnout gear most have holes in them. all are over 10 years old except for 2 of them
                            we have 4 scba's (we need to get more tho)
                            radios/pagers are good
                            the main thing we really need is brush gear/turnout gear


                            on a positive note. We do have a new person that joined and can help with grant writing and we can try for some grants this coming year.


                            and to us turnout gear/brush gear is everything to us.

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                            • #29
                              [QUOTE=shawnvfd;1221980]
                              Originally posted by LVFD301 View Post
                              ShawnVFD - tell us a bit more about your department, location etc. Many of us can help. Saying you need everything is a bit much though, as surely you have SOMETHING. Be specific.

                              to start ..
                              there is 15 members
                              we are located in trade,tn
                              Station location

                              all coutry roads
                              funding is very limited due to the area. we are currently making a website with a donation/store page to see if this would help with funds-website is done for free
                              the trucks run and are ok but have problems with them
                              engine is fine (radiator is leaking , were going to try and fix that)
                              tanker truck.. Pump seems to be going out (were working on that - just fixed the brakes last month @1200.00 now this)
                              our turnout gear most have holes in them. all are over 10 years old except for 2 of them
                              we have 4 scba's (we need to get more tho)
                              radios/pagers are good
                              the main thing we really need is brush gear/turnout gear


                              on a positive note. We do have a new person that joined and can help with grant writing and we can try for some grants this coming year.


                              and to us turnout gear/brush gear is everything to us.
                              Shawn what is your first due population and call volume stats like?
                              Kurt Bradley
                              Fire/EMS/EMA Grant Consultant
                              " Never Trade Skill for Luck"

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                              • #30
                                end of 2009 we have a population of 1007 calls 56 (fire 63% / ems 37%)
                                so far this year we have had 43 calls already its at 61/39

                                in 2005 we had

                                Population: 885 calls 28 ( fire 48% / ems 52%)

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